From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LPOId-0006Q0-16 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:38:19 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78C06E0573; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2352E0573 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1629820ewy.10 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:33:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date :references; bh=jy6/3s7w1zkfod678Wglty8+TeVL6kVda+hYwTszXes=; b=mnE3DnT5Tke+dnPemYfVPe+Z57MNdGM6TASRRKN35liOefeMogalUb8yJ2NJPyCjkV HxfEb2XR/FoSK/yH6oXZqoUO+WCdWULvxRkXdikVjcyRed4EAQ1jVTEgb+QFA+Yn7/eK uIVBZOUrs98PupbLLlG72SB8y9X//LVYshTSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version :subject:date:references; b=HqLkTi5Fu7gG1l3gWEJS3J7MT9t2RhZlu7kOJPkECnpiHXLKsRcMkOz5lro4U0IjAP 46JuHqEDMx4UlGbx2okpBDUTE8ok8cSkun90FpYEI+6ejUW18IIVm3mwg2eCNnEB9HAw VcaI5OFgrmf3iL3UvO+/kTnB5AZvkIrSbj5ps= Received: by 10.210.29.11 with SMTP id c11mr1973906ebc.107.1232487223951; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.72.240.145? ([166.198.75.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h6sm19276887nfh.64.2009.01.20.13.33.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:33:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <32FDFCE4-4551-4849-9FFE-3F2FFF49268B@gmail.com> From: Saphirus Sage To: "gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-776934357 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5G77) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?] Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:33:23 -0500 References: <5bdc1c8b0901200938y7b7faff1lc4aba77987f783d7@mail.gmail.com> <497635EA.8070908@gmail.com> <58965d8a0901201247w4f8229cbib4d5451adb39e9b@mail.gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 6ad4afce-4f6c-48ab-8946-4caa96e52ae5 X-Archives-Hash: c749b76fa110369bbd039704daeb65b6 --Apple-Mail-1-776934357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a total ~ARCH user, just because part of me really loves the joys of debugging. Honestly, on the rare occasion that something doesn't work, I've found a lesson is best learned when it is necessary. So in short, a bug is just a chance to learn to do something slightly differently. Anyway, for a low-spec system, installing from binaries when possible would probably be a good idea. Other than that, just be specific in what you want with your USE flags. On Jan 20, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Nick Cunningham wrote: > > > 2009/1/20 Paul Hartman > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, b.n. wrote: > > Mark Knecht ha scritto: > > > >> The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully > >> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the > >> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage > >> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage > >> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what > users are > >> currently using. > > > > Really? > > > > I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old > > Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just > barely x86 > > stable now on Gentoo. > > > > A couple of examples I am aware of: > > Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included > in KB8.04 > > Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 > (and a > > hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) > in Gentoo. > > > > Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is > > even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last > > time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect, > > everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4). > > > > I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that > the > > meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages > (and > > also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... > firefox 3 rc > > in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is > actually a > > bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of > software. > > > > Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I > first > > installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I > > wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to > test > > packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just me > > having false memories). > > When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I switched from > x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to > use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It seems > the majority of users are using ~arch these days. > > > I see it as a good thing, a sign that Gentoo is maturing beyond just > being a 'ricing' distro. Its now possible to have the best of both > worlds, whether you want the stability of well tested packages from > ARCH, or the chance to get newer packages, but with a chance of bugs > and potential breakage by using ~ARCH. > > Im a happy ~ARCH user myself, and have been for a long time, however > i do stick to using plain ARCH on my little server just to keep it > stable and happy. > > - Nick --Apple-Mail-1-776934357 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm a total ~ARCH user, just = because part of me really loves the joys of debugging. Honestly, on the = rare occasion that something doesn't work, I've found a lesson is best = learned when it is necessary. So in short, a bug is just a chance to = learn to do something slightly = differently. 

Anyway, for a low-spec = system, installing from binaries when possible would probably be a good = idea. Other than that, just be specific in what you want with your USE = flags. 

On Jan 20, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Nick Cunningham <nick@monkeydust.net> = wrote:



2009/1/20 Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.co= m>
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, = b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> = wrote:
> Mark Knecht ha scritto:
>
>>    The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you = carefully
>> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over = the
>> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage
>> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage
>> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users = are
>> currently using.
>
> Really?
>
> I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year = old
> Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely = x86
> stable now on Gentoo.
>
> A couple of examples I am aware of:
> Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in = KB8.04
> Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 (and = a
> hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) in = Gentoo.
>
> Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which = is
> even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked = last
> time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect,
> everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4).
>
> I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that = the
> meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages = (and
> also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3 = rc
> in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is actually = a
> bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of = software.
>
> Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I = first
> installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. = I
> wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to = test
> packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just = me
> having false memories).

When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I = switched from
x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to
use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It = seems
the majority of users are using ~arch these days.


I see it as a good thing, a sign that Gentoo is = maturing beyond just being a 'ricing' distro. Its now possible to have = the best of both worlds, whether you want the stability of well tested = packages from ARCH, or the chance to get newer packages, but with a = chance of bugs and potential breakage by using ~ARCH.

Im a happy ~ARCH user myself, and have been for a long time, however = i do stick to using plain ARCH on my little server just to keep it = stable and happy.

- Nick
= --Apple-Mail-1-776934357--