* [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs @ 2009-07-24 7:01 Igor Nemilentsev 2009-07-24 7:13 ` Helmut Jarausch 2009-07-24 7:44 ` Volker Armin Hemmann 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 7:01 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Hi, list I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. I have into xorg.conf Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap" "false" EndSection Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination doesn't work. Can someone give me advice? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 7:01 [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 7:13 ` Helmut Jarausch 2009-07-24 8:44 ` Igor Nemilentsev 2009-07-24 7:44 ` Volker Armin Hemmann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Helmut Jarausch @ 2009-07-24 7:13 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On 24 Jul, Igor Nemilentsev wrote: > Hi, list > I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. > I have into xorg.conf > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "DontZap" "false" > EndSection > > Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination > doesn't work. > Can someone give me advice? AFAIK, the DontZap option applies to the key sequences <Alt> <Fx> to switch to a different terminal. I have the same problem here (same configuration), i.e. <Ctrl><Alt><Del> doesn't work. If you can't exit via your window manager anymore, I think, Neil Bothwick has posted the following advice some days ago: If you find yourself without a keyboard or mouse and can't get back to a console, press and hold alt + sysreq then hit R and E. I did this the other day and it took me back to a console. You're thinking of the complete Alt-SysRq sequence to (relatively) cleanly reboot. Alt-SysRq-R returns keyboard control after it has been locked out by X. You should then be able to do Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get back to your VC. I got some SysRq commands printed out tho. Question, do I have to hit > the Alt key each time or what? Hold down Atl, hold down SysRq, press each of the keys in turn. The usual full sequence is R-E-I-S-U-B Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken --------------------------------------------------------------------- Then for example on tty2 start "sleep 300 ; /etc/init.d/xdm stop ; killall X" and on tty1 do "/etc/init.d/xdm start" Another approach is to use acpid. I've read this tip here posted by Volker Hemmann IIRC. If you use acpid, there should be a file called "/etc/acpi/default.sh" Modify it, substituting the lines: 19 case "$action" in 20 power) 21 /sbin/init 0 with 19 case "$action" in 20 power) 21 /usr/bin/chvt 1 then do /etc/init.d/acpid restart. Now pressing the power button on your machine should switch to the active TTY to tty1 -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 7:13 ` Helmut Jarausch @ 2009-07-24 8:44 ` Igor Nemilentsev 2009-07-24 20:05 ` Skippy 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > AFAIK, the DontZap option applies to the key sequences > <Alt> <Fx> to switch to a different terminal. No, the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence behaviour is changed with the option Option "DontVTSwitch" > I have the same problem here (same configuration), i.e. > <Ctrl><Alt><Del> doesn't work. > > If you can't exit via your window manager anymore, > I think, Neil Bothwick has posted the following advice > some days ago: I figured out to return old style I need this command: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Or add input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp in configuration file of hal. Thanks for the advice. Regards, Nemilentsev Igor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 8:44 ` Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 20:05 ` Skippy 2009-07-24 20:35 ` [gentoo-user] " ABCD 2009-07-24 20:56 ` [gentoo-user] " Igor Nemilentsev 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Skippy @ 2009-07-24 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to fix it. Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp And where is the hal configuration file you inserted input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Thanks so very much, this is driving me nuts! Skippy On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:59 +0300 (EEST) Igor Nemilentsev <trezorg@gmail.com> wrote the words: > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > AFAIK, the DontZap option applies to the key sequences > > <Alt> <Fx> to switch to a different terminal. > No, the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence behaviour is changed > with the option > Option "DontVTSwitch" > > > I have the same problem here (same configuration), i.e. > > <Ctrl><Alt><Del> doesn't work. > > > > If you can't exit via your window manager anymore, > > I think, Neil Bothwick has posted the following advice > > some days ago: > I figured out to return old style I need this command: > > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > > Or add > input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > in configuration file of hal. > > Thanks for the advice. > > Regards, Nemilentsev Igor > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-user] Re: DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 20:05 ` Skippy @ 2009-07-24 20:35 ` ABCD 2009-07-24 20:56 ` [gentoo-user] " Igor Nemilentsev 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ABCD @ 2009-07-24 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Skippy wrote: > > > > Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to > fix it. > > Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed > > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > > And where is the hal configuration file you inserted > > input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > > Thanks so very much, this is driving me nuts! > > Skippy > > > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:59 +0300 (EEST) > Igor Nemilentsev <trezorg@gmail.com> wrote the words: > >> >> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> > AFAIK, the DontZap option applies to the key sequences >> > <Alt> <Fx> to switch to a different terminal. >> No, the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence behaviour is changed >> with the option >> Option "DontVTSwitch" >> >> > I have the same problem here (same configuration), i.e. >> > <Ctrl><Alt><Del> doesn't work. >> > >> > If you can't exit via your window manager anymore, >> > I think, Neil Bothwick has posted the following advice >> > some days ago: >> I figured out to return old style I need this command: >> >> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp >> >> Or add >> input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp >> in configuration file of hal. >> >> Thanks for the advice. >> >> Regards, Nemilentsev Igor >> I'm not sure how it goes in xorg.conf, as I no longer use that to configure my keyboard driver (as I use "evdev", which is configured using HAL. If you are using the "evdev" driver, then you need to edit HAL's config. To do so, create a new file /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-x11-input.fdi (or any other name in that directory that ends in ".fdi", they are checked in ASCIIbetical order, so "99-local.fdi" is used near the end...), and modify the following to match your own preferences: - ----8<---- <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <deviceinfo version="0.2"> <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.keys"> <merge key="input.x11_driver" type="string">evdev</merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbModel" type="string">evdev</merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbLayout" type="string">us</merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbVariant" type="string"></merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbOptions" type="string">terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp</merge> </match </deviceinfo> - ----8<---- The format is a simple XML file, so it shouldn't be too hard to -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpqGyUACgkQOypDUo0oQOpyVQCcDo8cSHthDBZ1g1SAUsj+B+vr NUkAoINROLJSY49ZWgLvfajjaxrSMVGR =wgHr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 20:05 ` Skippy 2009-07-24 20:35 ` [gentoo-user] " ABCD @ 2009-07-24 20:56 ` Igor Nemilentsev 2009-07-28 11:23 ` Skippy 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user > > Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to > fix it. > > Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Please enter it in command line. > And where is the hal configuration file you inserted > input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ I just added. <merge key="input.xkb.options" type="string">grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,terminate:ctrl_alt_ bksp</merge> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 20:56 ` [gentoo-user] " Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-28 11:23 ` Skippy 2009-07-28 11:26 ` Alan McKinnon 2009-07-28 14:11 ` Helmut Jarausch 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Skippy @ 2009-07-28 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:56:58 +0300 (EEST) Igor Nemilentsev <trezorg@gmail.com> wrote the words: > > > > Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying > > to fix it. > > > > Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed > > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > Please enter it in command line. > > And where is the hal configuration file you inserted > > > input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ > I just added. > > <merge key="input.xkb.options" > type="string">grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,terminate:ctrl_alt_ > bksp</merge> > Thanks so much for the specifics. These still haven't fixed my system. Does anyone know if this is something the Gentoo developers are going to fix down the road? Highly annoying, as others have already mentioned. Skippy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-28 11:23 ` Skippy @ 2009-07-28 11:26 ` Alan McKinnon 2009-07-28 12:35 ` Skippy 2009-07-28 14:11 ` Helmut Jarausch 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Alan McKinnon @ 2009-07-28 11:26 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:23:13 Skippy wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:56:58 +0300 (EEST) > > Igor Nemilentsev <trezorg@gmail.com> wrote the words: > > > Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying > > > to fix it. > > > > > > Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed > > > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > > > > Please enter it in command line. > > > > > And where is the hal configuration file you inserted > > > > > > input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp > > > > I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ > > I just added. > > > > <merge key="input.xkb.options" > > > > type="string">grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,term > >inate:ctrl_alt_ bksp</merge> > > Thanks so much for the specifics. These still haven't fixed my > system. Does anyone know if this is something the Gentoo developers > are going to fix down the road? Highly annoying, as others have > already mentioned. The problem has little if anything to do with Gentoo developers (who keep things as close to upstream as possible), and everything to do with the upstream developers of Xorg and hal. The fix is per their timetable. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-28 11:26 ` Alan McKinnon @ 2009-07-28 12:35 ` Skippy 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Skippy @ 2009-07-28 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:26:20 +0200 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote the words: > The problem has little if anything to do with Gentoo developers (who > keep things as close to upstream as possible), and everything to do > with the upstream developers of Xorg and hal. The fix is per their > timetable. > > -- > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com > Yes, I get your point. I didn't mean to imply the Gentoo folks are doing this. I should have asked - is there some kind of work around or temporary fix that the Gentoo developers can implement until it's really fixed. :) Skippy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-28 11:23 ` Skippy 2009-07-28 11:26 ` Alan McKinnon @ 2009-07-28 14:11 ` Helmut Jarausch 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Helmut Jarausch @ 2009-07-28 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On 28 Jul, Skippy wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:56:58 +0300 (EEST) > Igor Nemilentsev <trezorg@gmail.com> wrote the words: > >> > >> > Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying >> > to fix it. >> > >> > Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed >> > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp >> Please enter it in command line. >> > And where is the hal configuration file you inserted >> >> > input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp >> I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ >> I just added. >> >> <merge key="input.xkb.options" >> type="string">grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,terminate:ctrl_alt_ >> bksp</merge> >> > > > Thanks so much for the specifics. These still haven't fixed my > system. Does anyone know if this is something the Gentoo developers > are going to fix down the road? Highly annoying, as others have > already mentioned. > Here is my complete x11-input.fdi which works just fine. <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> <deviceinfo version="0.2"> <device> <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.keyboard"> <append key="info.callouts.add" type="strlist">hal-setup-keymap</append> <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbModel" type="string">microsoft</merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbRules" type="string">xorg</merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.XkbLayout" type="string">en_US</merge> <merge key="input.xkb.layout" type="string">en_US</merge> <merge key="input.xkb.model" type="string">microsoft</merge> <merge key="input.xkb.rules" type="string">xorg</merge> <merge key="input.xkb.options" type="string">terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp</merge></match> </device> </deviceinfo> This is with an hal enabled x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2-r1 and all x11-drivers, especially x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse re-emergered after mering xorg-server. Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 7:01 [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs Igor Nemilentsev 2009-07-24 7:13 ` Helmut Jarausch @ 2009-07-24 7:44 ` Volker Armin Hemmann 2009-07-24 7:58 ` Dale 2009-07-24 11:16 ` Igor Nemilentsev 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2009-07-24 7:44 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Freitag 24 Juli 2009, Igor Nemilentsev wrote: > Hi, list > I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. > I have into xorg.conf > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "DontZap" "false" > EndSection > > Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination > doesn't work. > Can someone give me advice? complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 7:44 ` Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2009-07-24 7:58 ` Dale 2009-07-24 11:16 ` Igor Nemilentsev 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Dale @ 2009-07-24 7:58 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 24 Juli 2009, Igor Nemilentsev wrote: > >> Hi, list >> I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. >> I have into xorg.conf >> Section "ServerFlags" >> Option "DontZap" "false" >> EndSection >> >> Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination >> doesn't work. >> Can someone give me advice? >> > > complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? > > > I don't have any of that in my file and it works fine, wellllll, except when I do xorg-server with hal enabled. Then NOTHING keyboard/mouse related works. Dale :-) :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 7:44 ` Volker Armin Hemmann 2009-07-24 7:58 ` Dale @ 2009-07-24 11:16 ` Igor Nemilentsev 2009-07-24 11:28 ` Neil Bothwick 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 11:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user > > I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. > > I have into xorg.conf > > Section "ServerFlags" > > Option "DontZap" "false" > > EndSection > > > > Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination > > doesn't work. > > Can someone give me advice? > > complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious influence on Xorg development ? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 11:16 ` Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 11:28 ` Neil Bothwick 2009-07-24 11:45 ` Helmut Jarausch ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Neil Bothwick @ 2009-07-24 11:28 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 609 bytes --] On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:16:34 +0300 (EEST), Igor Nemilentsev wrote: > > complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed > > anymore? > I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious > influence on Xorg development ? According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is it just Fedora that change the defaults? -- Neil Bothwick I locked my coathanger in my car; good thing I had a key. [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 11:28 ` Neil Bothwick @ 2009-07-24 11:45 ` Helmut Jarausch 2009-07-24 11:53 ` Volker Armin Hemmann 2009-07-24 13:08 ` [gentoo-user] " Igor Nemilentsev 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Helmut Jarausch @ 2009-07-24 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Neil Bothwick On 24 Jul, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:16:34 +0300 (EEST), Igor Nemilentsev wrote: > >> > complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed >> > anymore? >> I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious >> influence on Xorg development ? > > According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. > I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users > exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is > it just Fedora that change the defaults? No, it's Gentoo itself. Running xorg-server-1.6.2-r1 (+hal) It seems a 'hal' 'feature' see the post of Igor this morning, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 11:28 ` Neil Bothwick 2009-07-24 11:45 ` Helmut Jarausch @ 2009-07-24 11:53 ` Volker Armin Hemmann 2009-07-24 12:32 ` Stroller 2009-07-24 13:08 ` [gentoo-user] " Igor Nemilentsev 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2009-07-24 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Freitag 24 Juli 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:16:34 +0300 (EEST), Igor Nemilentsev wrote: > > > complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed > > > anymore? > > > > I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious > > influence on Xorg development ? > > According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. > I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users > exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is > it just Fedora that change the defaults? no, they changed the default from DontZap false to DontZap true. And all of its proponents are fedora/redhat devs. Because ctrl+alt+backspace is bad for emacs users (wtf? I have used emacs in the past - never a problem) or poor stupid people hit it accidentally (and what happens when you do it in windows?). So they changed this eternal old default. No matter that it is extremly usefull to quickly kill a misbehaving X - or as a nice way to log out of kde/gnome/whatever without having to click some confirmation first. of course - ubuntu was happy about the change. But ubuntu is made for ... grrrrrr ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 11:53 ` Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2009-07-24 12:32 ` Stroller 2009-07-24 17:00 ` [gentoo-user] " ABCD 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Stroller @ 2009-07-24 12:32 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On 24 Jul 2009, at 12:53, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > ... Because ctrl+alt+backspace ... poor > stupid people hit it accidentally (and what happens when you do it in > windows?). In Windows it (nowadays) takes you to a menu, which you can easily escape out of. That menu allows you to lock the screen session, bring up task manager, change your password or log out of the PC. I have no idea what it does on Linux, because Linux I use headless on servers. Stroller. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-user] Re: DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 12:32 ` Stroller @ 2009-07-24 17:00 ` ABCD 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ABCD @ 2009-07-24 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stroller wrote: > In Windows it (nowadays) takes you to a menu, which you can easily > escape out of. That menu allows you to lock the screen session, bring > up task manager, change your password or log out of the PC. I have no > idea what it does on Linux, because Linux I use headless on servers. You are thinking of Ctrl-Alt-Del; in Windows, Ctrl-Alt-Bksp does application-specific tasks, such as acting like Ctrl-Bksp or Alt-Bksp, or not doing anything at all. Ctrl-Alt-Bksp killing the X server is a surprising difference for the average Windows user. - -- ABCD -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpp6JkACgkQOypDUo0oQOrepgCfW7be4EO0zTvLvxJfpWFF2wVK qgUAn1qRqOJmD8ibTbWU3KDPNxkOhYn/ =gMip -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs 2009-07-24 11:28 ` Neil Bothwick 2009-07-24 11:45 ` Helmut Jarausch 2009-07-24 11:53 ` Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2009-07-24 13:08 ` Igor Nemilentsev 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Igor Nemilentsev @ 2009-07-24 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user > > I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious > > influence on Xorg development ? > > According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. > I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users > exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is > it just Fedora that change the defaults? Yes, this options is default "off". And this means that Zap and VTSwitch is allowed.( no dontzap) If option "DontZap" is "off" that means that Ctrl-Alt-Bs should work. Nonetheless the option DontVTSwitch acts as expected but DontZap doesn't. As I think it is embedded into source or into default compilation options that we are forced ( if need) to apply some things which wasn't required before. As least if xorg is compiled with hal. By the way Ubuntu and Fedora have the package named dontzap. Why:) Regards, Nemilentsev Igor Email:trezorg@gmail.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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