From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2DCD139085 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCAE4E0D21; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D175E0D05 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetick.localnet ([93.181.44.247]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M8MyE-1cVF5I2eoc-00vxUE for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:25:50 +0100 From: Marc Joliet To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:25:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3139451.kie8f4AUNn@thetick> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (Linux/4.8.14-gentoo; KDE/4.14.24; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20161218012132.GA18283@waltdnes.org> References: <148202272.qEzTLjjr1O@thetick> <20161218012132.GA18283@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart38014119.iY42u86z29"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9yHy2I0od2O3vLfsslFjn9sbVkiw9XSPuBIOHlLE3072AtL2lgL yFFt3mQ50Bo35PfxNIGfEsDbl4WCpVVD6Y+nK9UmOnZLVRnfUoKlPBobC5o5N8+ooNyGITk FqOtD9x3bEphCFPozm3GPo9d4a4qcETAlr3etNzI7vc5+mlyzSY51iU3EV7hLknv6mAcjLB gv/s5u6JhvVsM00G7gx2A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Wb4dhx23tR0=:yupMfGnbW0gAPP6d5fsADp no/pkn4fJ0QeGIE4nKG1BreR7u0qtoovJyG6N1sDsd5rw0k3c51r4YfiOGmSd2HjnB2eAkCEj DTBcGgUr4plPHw6Ogz63ZqFxhLkVt0SxTv8V5T9y+37pVGBB1cPB30qW286u10UFXmHzCLngT 6fsBrqMOkTI/mJUoRlA5ReU3bRGidjW+7BFXAtPks1L90NXL8aX4KSFu2bDeT85HOSvRTMZ0n ZGzyIFKGDA6yDivHp/wBCbx4ZwqBN8DtAsswjspDRrX52YtwP9NIWJaOYEOgBtqX5aQjdeT8E fM3kTfRLh0RUpKNrzv5Ks+da7Z7Stna1hRGz8JxVkPhcpGA+Ma/Q+Ma9CQzB396bVsB0RBAzb f+o2HUkVVsh3DqWTlqgNym1CN2nkHxot07AmqddLcs/45tu+G+mPwVPXJa6bXnMqY/sRFQOl0 GlZ8kJde/W16QtmDvrjeFEvh31gntbSE/rYHUfr0v1xaFTSeH8SusUPqiNk+zm3DCtzG832/C 9UZBfjyH44Pc0riwwfmsP1BwfNvVbFhmuXNkzCCZCgxBeKzEyYQ0SvebqsF7pUr3nBcLh/m9u af9WJFXsOb5gazE0wbO9xPdcl59LpmB+Rm8If75MjhTkkJifK9pNq4jBQldjRenpMI5ixlioT WSjWHi4h3k23Hn59GitmXNMIKkXnnVnqxgk6ft10zVET5Ewh7eRzSjdEEla7Svze9W3smmFHj 0QctZ0MlOsu0ZjYbfarf7xSE8rfRJQezGSp70A5XVB2w3XWLOD4LHIuOJH4= X-Archives-Salt: 3f4ef410-93a7-4e6d-aa5f-99333c9ee782 X-Archives-Hash: a17800e01db3535e2557cef7566287ca --nextPart38014119.iY42u86z29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Saturday 17 December 2016 20:21:33 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 09:51:07PM +0100, Marc Joliet wrote >=20 > > On Saturday 17 December 2016 14:10:04 Walter Dnes wrote: > > > A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that = they're > > >=20 > > > working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk di= rectly > > > to ffmpeg and libav. This gets rid of one layer of middleware, a= nd the > > > associated security problems. > >=20 > > FWIW, that's most likely because Firefox did that a few releases > > ago (I unset the gstreamer USE flag with 44.0, and AFAIK gstreamer > > support was completely removed with 46.0). >=20 > Not "because Firefox did that", but because it's a good idea. Yes,= > Firefox sometimes makes the right choice. While Pale Moon does not > blindly follow Firefox (e.g. Australis), gstreamer is a pain and a > security problem. First Pale Moon had to migrate from gstreamer 0.10= .x > (inherited from Firefox code) to gstreamer 1.x. And now they have to= > blacklist certain gstreamer plugins. Enough already. Sorry, I didn't mean that Pale moon "blindly follows" Firefox, I was pr= imarily=20 thinking of the progression upstream -> downstream (even as a fork, I e= xpect=20 that they'll want most of the low-level changes). =2D-=20 Marc Joliet =2D- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who kno= w we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup --nextPart38014119.iY42u86z29 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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