From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78183138010 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 04:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CFA21E084D; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 04:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176E3E0809 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 04:38:07 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,381,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="7537551" Received: from 213-152-39-89.dsl.eclipse.net.uk (HELO compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org) ([213.152.39.89]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2013 05:37:49 +0100 Received: from [192.168.11.4] (unknown [192.168.11.4]) by compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033E0126A4 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 05:36:58 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Current Dells and UEFI/secureboot (or other showstoppers)? From: Stroller In-Reply-To: <20130330222051.GA6697@waltdnes.org> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 05:37:43 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3112FB49-0872-4085-BEB7-95F7D5062F70@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> References: <20130330042007.GA5613@waltdnes.org> <9876D58A-34C1-4C51-B500-F9E269C08EAC@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20130330222051.GA6697@waltdnes.org> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Archives-Salt: 88b448d6-11b8-42d7-9b28-b04e37fc1c7f X-Archives-Hash: 1010eaf631c0f3d2feac534c99e178c3 Sorry if I was terse in my previous reply. On 30 March 2013, at 22:20, Walter Dnes wrote: > ... > As per the subject line, I'm asking if current Dells have any > showstoppers for Gentoo. If not, I'll probably go with a Dell. I would think Dell would probably be a very good choice. I know that they support Linux on all their PowerEdge servers (RedHat = and I think Suse and now recently they've added Ubuntu certification), = and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they offered Linux-supported = desktops, too. I'd be surprised if there was a Dell that Linux didn't run on, TBH. > My usage patterns may be different from yours, but Dells have lasted = more > years for me than other brands or custom-built machines. Yeah, I have most always recommended Dell, myself. Generally speaking they have best, or amongst the best, economies of = scale when it comes to off-the-shelf desktop PCs. Gamers are never = satisfied with the graphics cards in off-the-shelf desktop PCs, everyone = else is. It's all very well building your own PC - and I'll likely do that myself = next time - until you're posting here saying "I'm experiencing random = reboots and kernel panics, every 12 hours or so, and I don't know which = of these dozen components to return to the supplier". You can spend = hours debugging that - I've known such hardware crashes to be caused by = RAM, by power supplies and even by floppy drives and CD-ROMs - and it's = more than my time's worth, honestly. It's worth a hundred quid to me not = to have to deal with that. I've had amazing service on Dell's business support, even at the bronze = level. An acquaintance's son's laptop died with a failed GPU and regular = artefacts at 13 months old, warranty expired by a month. One snotty = letter later, "sale of goods act, european law, up to 6 years" and a = little Dell man was on his doorstep, very helpful. =20 http://lists.us.dell.com/ I don't have experience of UEFI/secureboot, but I'll bet that the = popular alarm is unwarranted. "Microsoft are trying to make it = impossible to boot linux" is the sort of think we've been hearing since = Halloween '98. Stroller.