[gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Makara]

Hi all,

I'm from Cambodia. I'm a new gentoo user and a new
member also. Could anyone tell me how to create my own
linux distribution? I have tried LFS but it's not 
what I need it just tell how to build linux from
scratch. I tried to search on google but I got
nothing. Please give me any information and what
should I have to learn to build my own linux
distribution? sorry for my english.

Thanks,
Makara

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Ric de France]

Makara,

I don't know why... since when you use Gentoo, you're essentially
making your own distribution but leveraging off the infrastructure of
Gentoo, but here is one link that may be of use:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7233

And this other link (OOo presentation) may give you some great ideas /
techniques:

http://www.luv.asn.au/overheads/knoppixtalk.sxi

HTH,

...Ric

On 18/07/06, Makara <kingofyuri@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm from Cambodia. I'm a new gentoo user and a new
> member also. Could anyone tell me how to create my own
> linux distribution? I have tried LFS but it's not
> what I need it just tell how to build linux from
> scratch. I tried to search on google but I got
> nothing. Please give me any information and what
> should I have to learn to build my own linux
> distribution? sorry for my english.
>
> Thanks,
> Makara
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[jarry]

 Makara <kingofyuri@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ...Could anyone tell me how to create my own
> linux distribution?...

What exactly do you expect from "your own linux distribution"?
Some special functionality you are missing? Some speciall
installer, interface, packages? 

Frankly, I have never done something like that, but I think
making your own linux-distro is "a little" more then just
"pack&burn your favourite packages". To code a good installer
is not trivial task. Maybe that's why almost every distro uses
its own installer...

Anyway I think you should first summarise your requirements.
Maybe it would be easier to start with some already done
distro, and just modify it according to your needs (that's
the way some linux-distribution originated from debian,
or ubuntu).

Well, good luck with this task! You will sure need it... :-)

Jarry

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[David Corbin]

On Tuesday 18 July 2006 08:14, jarry@gmx.net wrote:
>  Makara <kingofyuri@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > ...Could anyone tell me how to create my own
> > linux distribution?...
>
> What exactly do you expect from "your own linux distribution"?
> Some special functionality you are missing? Some speciall
> installer, interface, packages?

Not wanting to hijack the thread from the OP, but this subject interests me 
for the following reason. I work on a software system where one customer has 
about 10000 systems at about 500 locations.  Remote systems are categorized 
as one of 3 types/configurations.  Automated management of them is essential, 
including upgrades, but seldom upgrades "to the latest and greatest" as 
stability is very important.  Upgrades need to "just work", and not require 
manual intervention.  Currently, they're all on Windows in one form or 
another (ugh!).  The systems in question have very limited capabilities, and 
the people on site have very limited permissions.  

Other potential customers have similar size systems, and I certainly expect 
someone to realize the value of Linux for this.  I'd like to have a solution 
in my mind when the time comes.

I've considered the idea of a custom distribution to do this.  There is no 
doubt in my mind, that any such distribtuion would be based on an existing 
one, with tweaks that deal with where updates come from, and what packages 
are availble, etc.  Gentoo or Debian are the two likely candidates.  I'm not 
*sure* a customized distribution is appropriate.

David
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Michael Schreckenbauer]

Hi,

Am Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 14:35 schrieb David Corbin:
> Not wanting to hijack the thread from the OP, but this subject interests me
> for the following reason. I work on a software system where one customer
> has about 10000 systems at about 500 locations.  Remote systems are
> categorized as one of 3 types/configurations.  Automated management of them
> is essential, including upgrades, but seldom upgrades "to the latest and
> greatest" as stability is very important.  Upgrades need to "just work",
> and not require manual intervention.  Currently, they're all on Windows in
> one form or another (ugh!).  The systems in question have very limited
> capabilities, and the people on site have very limited permissions.
>
> Other potential customers have similar size systems, and I certainly expect
> someone to realize the value of Linux for this.  I'd like to have a
> solution in my mind when the time comes.
>
> I've considered the idea of a custom distribution to do this.  There is no
> doubt in my mind, that any such distribtuion would be based on an existing
> one, with tweaks that deal with where updates come from, and what packages
> are availble, etc.  Gentoo or Debian are the two likely candidates.  I'm
> not *sure* a customized distribution is appropriate.

have a look at rocklinux (http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Main_Page)
It's a "Distribution Build Kit". I tried it some time ago and was really 
impressed.

> David

Hand,
Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Tuesday 18 July 2006 15:09, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:

> have a look at rocklinux (http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Main_Page)
> It's a "Distribution Build Kit". I tried it some time ago and was
> really impressed.

Similar services are offered also by [1] and [2].

HTH

[1] http://euronode.com
[2] http://www.instalinux.com 
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Ryan Tandy]

David Corbin wrote:
> 
> I've considered the idea of a custom distribution to do this.  There is no 
> doubt in my mind, that any such distribtuion would be based on an existing 
> one, with tweaks that deal with where updates come from, and what packages 
> are availble, etc.  Gentoo or Debian are the two likely candidates.  I'm not 
> *sure* a customized distribution is appropriate.

There's an excellent reason why Gentoo is seriously leaning towards 
calling itself a "metadistribution".  Look into tools such as catalyst. 
  You can build LiveCDs for installing into a known-good environment, 
"Stage 4" archives that require minimal configuration after 
installation, or even (since, as you mentioned, the targets fall into a 
few distinct categories) full disc images on (a) local staging box(es) 
and simply image everything across to the targets.  If you're 
uncomfortable with having a production system loaded with gcc, portage, 
and such, you can build your own "releases" locally, and simply batch 
update the targets when convenient.  The images built by catalyst are 
*not* required to contain portage or the portage tree.

Portage and catalyst are *very* powerful tools if you look into their 
depths.  Rsync and friends used in conjunction with a local staging 
system can IMO make maintaining such a system incredibly easy.

Yes, I'm available for consulting. :P
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Jose Gonzalez Gomez]

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2006/7/18, David Corbin <gentoo.org@machturtle.com>:
>
> Not wanting to hijack the thread from the OP, but this subject interests
> me
> for the following reason. I work on a software system where one customer
> has
> about 10000 systems at about 500 locations.  Remote systems are
> categorized
> as one of 3 types/configurations.  Automated management of them is
> essential,
> including upgrades, but seldom upgrades "to the latest and greatest" as
> stability is very important.  Upgrades need to "just work", and not
> require
> manual intervention.  Currently, they're all on Windows in one form or
> another (ugh!).  The systems in question have very limited capabilities,
> and
> the people on site have very limited permissions.
>
> Other potential customers have similar size systems, and I certainly
> expect
> someone to realize the value of Linux for this.  I'd like to have a
> solution
> in my mind when the time comes.
>
> I've considered the idea of a custom distribution to do this.  There is no
> doubt in my mind, that any such distribtuion would be based on an existing
> one, with tweaks that deal with where updates come from, and what packages
> are availble, etc.  Gentoo or Debian are the two likely candidates.  I'm
> not
> *sure* a customized distribution is appropriate.
>
>
I think you should take a look at:

http://www.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/index.html
http://www.cfengine.org/


Best regards
Jose

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Matthew R. King]

Jose Gonzalez Gomez wrote:
> 2006/7/18, David Corbin <gentoo.org@machturtle.com 
> <mailto:gentoo.org@machturtle.com>>:
>
>     Not wanting to hijack the thread from the OP, but this subject
>     interests me
>     for the following reason. I work on a software system where one
>     customer has
>     about 10000 systems at about 500 locations.  Remote systems are
>     categorized
>     as one of 3 types/configurations.  Automated management of them is
>     essential,
>     including upgrades, but seldom upgrades "to the latest and
>     greatest" as
>     stability is very important.  Upgrades need to "just work", and
>     not require
>     manual intervention.  Currently, they're all on Windows in one form or
>     another (ugh!).  The systems in question have very limited
>     capabilities, and
>     the people on site have very limited permissions.
>
>     Other potential customers have similar size systems, and I
>     certainly expect
>     someone to realize the value of Linux for this.  I'd like to have
>     a solution
>     in my mind when the time comes.
>
>     I've considered the idea of a custom distribution to do
>     this.  There is no
>     doubt in my mind, that any such distribtuion would be based on an
>     existing
>     one, with tweaks that deal with where updates come from, and what
>     packages
>     are availble, etc.  Gentoo or Debian are the two likely
>     candidates.  I'm not
>     *sure* a customized distribution is appropriate.
>
>
> I think you should take a look at:
>
> http://www.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/index.html
> http://www.cfengine.org/ <http://www.cfengine.org/>
>
>
> Best regards
> Jose
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to create my own linux distribution

[Thomas T. Veldhouse]

Makara wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm from Cambodia. I'm a new gentoo user and a new
> member also. Could anyone tell me how to create my own
> linux distribution? I have tried LFS but it's not 
> what I need it just tell how to build linux from
> scratch. I tried to search on google but I got
> nothing. Please give me any information and what
> should I have to learn to build my own linux
> distribution? sorry for my english.
>
>   
Start with Linux From Scratch and then find a packaging system to your 
liking so that you can maintain your choice builds.  Consider RPM, APT, 
or even Portage for starters.  You WILL find it is not as easy as you 
think if it is just you [one person] trying to maintain it.

Tom Veldhouse


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