From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E14215808B for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2358E0AB1; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com (mail-qk1-f176.google.com [209.85.222.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E1E6E0997 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id j6so9826100qkp.9 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:08:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:references:reply-to:from:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=g1Leys6DFsp4qMp+GZIXuh70cO0FsyxjfpJwfQj2NpQ=; b=s7hI7jvOa5gPnS1m94W+hNSyonyYbnsz/NhwQUL/+JBa/0Iu8OaIN4velw7couKhB3 xI5ZjGJZTqNMhCi+U3/RyOVbdj06rWCQTp5jBhJUll+3eKBq9LTYWbnwDShwr9oTZJKp AtorAIUPuzdVpHeLAEpwJ0nagkTAFxjc79PZEfX0bmcDh46Nv+3k3lMgt4m4V8z2daKw WFGxUNmia+SVdonbAmgQOqIo57JAgScdNJzwERw69YEXmO+n/G3DerpN+Diqq3edFIuc +HnlLBQJM2PQs2bfeMRf+lV8wESXnpN3p9bEsuAKBh3wCzMwZhxeACfLmMOA9PWO7T+h wNHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531t3GraNNiz/iiezILBGlm/ADnYGQYiOT6tHnLMKqCQZcRfjDc4 mkZ6FvjAMho9Z2CR8ikb4zJc2ssdYnT9wA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyODHJohbzEv7Hcz2uy6SiKiG22vNoni3LVhtk1HoLQlqkwGt1fSWU8URDN3mRIZGP8g0aZzA== X-Received: by 2002:a37:6887:0:b0:69c:801b:c109 with SMTP id d129-20020a376887000000b0069c801bc109mr4657673qkc.177.1650215336877; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([71.53.150.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 22-20020ac85756000000b002e1cabad999sm6459061qtx.89.2022.04.17.10.08.55 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2dd96ac3-89a6-c80b-ca7d-3c5a9c6563b9@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:07:21 -0400 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.8.0 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list Content-Language: en-US-large To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <8795e2b5-aaf4-c17f-6e32-74977bba8ca9@panix.com> From: Jack In-Reply-To: <8795e2b5-aaf4-c17f-6e32-74977bba8ca9@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: cdc3644a-4b94-4e32-8c34-295069598096 X-Archives-Hash: 5ba9f4bc4347cbc0fe53efcfc221b249 I think many on this list would be willing to help with this, if the location were close enough.  You might hunt for a local linux users group, or other group of folks likely to be interested and willing to tinker with hardware.  You might also see if there is a local high school or technical school with relevant classes, to ask if there is a student willing to help you. The actual work in removing and replacing heat sink and fan is not that great - but if it is not near definite that is the cause of your problem, then it might be a wasted effort. On 4/17/22 12:53, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn > to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers > has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be > done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine > than replace it if that much work is involved. > > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: >>> Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If >>> it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on >>> the next minimal iso. >>> >>> >> To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I acknowledge >> at the outset my suggestions below may not be the most practical. >> >> I'd start by doing everything I could to ensure the underlying motherboard >> and memory are stable: >> >> 1) Disconnect all external devices other than your keyboard >> 2) Disconnect all internal drives other than the one you need to install to >> 3) Remove all memory except for 1 stick >> 4) If the machine has a motherboard VGA AND you have a card-based >> GPU then remove that card >> 5) Leave wired ethernet connected if the machine and your network >> support it. >> >> At that point run memtest86 from USB or a DVD. If it's stable then >> start adding back memory. Double check that all memory is the >> same spec. I bought a used MB recently with 6 sticks but 2 of them >> weren't the same as the other 4. >> >> If all of that works I'd install some very light distro - probably >> Ubuntu Server but you're free to choose - with the goal to >> get a Linux kernel running. At that point I'm probably going to >> install something like btop and watch temperatures. >> >> If all that worked then you've made forward progress. If it >> doesn't you've also made forward progress. >> >> Good luck, >> Mark >> >>