From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MloRa-0005mO-DX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:32:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE9ADE0955; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.147]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C273E0950 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so122806qwk.10 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:32:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=o87MHYaTJHJZmtfnQzujOHBiHdytPfRtCe5BOM90N8g=; b=GfXP5oq8lb+RoOcWtIeg5Nsamz4pG9eipDnvnv0KlRjHf/vvciz6kFzPFiTH6V5gfr oLMN4DGdbuzhe8HKOHoPupOh7NbwKAK05uXUE6+g+yytDEHoCXyxIDx8lpMwVELNSIRd H+rjqBml6Z7KAyMdv4ncn5vxdHfUAa7QAZEYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UUA1OhB9sRU1hhQPe59SLSd9Lf4ERqlv08vwp/7e69BpDrge8On0QUT/Er/NT5hot2 NZA2/yEB29SBzZWckXY25LAY7GCaxo5pMbfKvN8udOntwTWw1Ph7sBjczg/G+qMUh1cW quLBZNAb5kAKmo7oN/gQooO9zQavIZCwuoG0o= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.2.23 with SMTP id 23mr1045278qch.87.1252607547872; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:32:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200909101024.33959.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> References: <200908200134.47229.Warp_7@gmx.de> <2db88dea0909092100m328fdc35y1877b655bb1e6cbe@mail.gmail.com> <200909101024.33959.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:32:27 -0300 Message-ID: <2db88dea0909101132i4e177fe6k4799a9991f7e5b3b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4: Constant crashes in conjunction with Konsole From: Dudu Loschi To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 4bd8225d-41fb-4211-b43c-578c69721006 X-Archives-Hash: 6b5c5bbd53f8a9c339de51dfab967442 2009/9/10 Alan McKinnon : > On Thursday 10 September 2009 06:00:08 Dudu Loschi wrote: > >> I've had this issue today with a new KDE 4.3.1 installation (actually >> not so new, it was running fine for 4 days). I decided to track down >> what was probably causing this issue since it apparently to came from >> nowhere. >> Well, after testing some configurations I realized that changing fonts >> size (specially menu's font) could lead to this problem, but reverting >> the size didn't solved. >> Them I started changing xorg.conf and found an workaround: disable >> BackingStore. I've tested several times and the crash never happened >> with BackingStore off. And I actually turned it on yesterday, so at >> least on my system that's the cause of the crash. >> So if you are experiencing this and have BackingStore on, disable it. >> If you don't have BackingStore enable try changing some other >> configuration in xorg.conf, it may help. > > I agree with Dudu, nvidia-drivers is the likely culprit. There were huge > problems in the early days of KDE-4, it's very possible that bugs are sti= ll > lurking. > > A useful site to trawl looking for similar problems and solutions: > > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=3D14 > > It's a semi-official announce site for nVidia plus general Forum. The dri= ver > devs read the list and respond to major issues. > > -- > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com > > Thanks for the link Alan, it's very useful. Actually this bug has been reported at that forum: http://www.google.com/cse?cx=3Dpartner-pub-6344472472167039%3Ayq78am-jukz&i= e=3DISO-8859-1&q=3Dbackingstore&sa=3DSearch+Site I was having a similar crash with gnome/metacity when I upgraded to gnome 2.26 but I never tried to track down the bug, I just switched to openbox, which didn't crash in gnome. But in KDE/Openbox the crash happens, but less frequently than with KWin 2009/9/10 Frank Steinmetzger : > Am Donnerstag, 10. September 2009 schrieb Dudu Loschi: > >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > until now I've been quite a KDE4 hater, but I'm willing to give it a t= ry >> > from time to time. So I installed 4.3 parallel to my beloved 3.5.10 an= d >> > was quite pleased with it. However, I have repeating crashes of my ent= ire >> > X. Mostly it happens when I open Konsole, the next often occasion is >> > opening a menu (main menu, context menu, you name it), but also only >> > after a Konsole windows was opened. All I see is a quick error message >> > about glibc, then X restarts and I'm back at kdm. >> > >> > I use a laptop with a Geforce 7600 GPU, running on nvidia-drivers-180.= 60. > >> I've had this issue today with a new KDE 4.3.1 installation (actually >> not so new, it was running fine for 4 days). I decided to track down >> what was probably causing this issue since it apparently to came from >> nowhere. >> Well, after testing some configurations I realized that changing fonts >> size (specially menu's font) could lead to this problem, but reverting >> the size didn't solved. >> Them I started changing xorg.conf and found an workaround: disable >> BackingStore. I've tested several times and the crash never happened >> with BackingStore off. > > A great many thanks to you, I've just tried it and it seems to have the e= ffect > you described. I'll dig into it further. But now of course I'm trapped > between two worlds - stay with my sceen efficient and faster 3.5, or begi= n a > liason with 4.3 for the benefits it provides, but also with its latent > lagginess. *ponder ponder* > -- > Gru=DF | Greetings | Qapla' > Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the backseat cause ki= ds. > Great that it worked! One thing to notice is that BackingStore is implemented by de X server, not by the driver, So maybe this isn't a bug in nvidia-drivers IMHO you should use KDE4 as now it's pretty stable (without BackingStore, no issues at all here)