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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <4d13f920-76a2-77ca-1a71-58bf14e4bf46@web.de> <3030657.5fSG56mABF@lenovo.localdomain> <65b16de9-ba84-acee-436c-f0d7ac699937@web.de> <2315345.jE0xQCEvom@lenovo.localdomain> From: n952162 <n952162@web.de> Message-ID: <2ced0a2a-7a06-52a9-68ed-34d41461e10e@web.de> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 15:01:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2315345.jE0xQCEvom@lenovo.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:BMuC5wkXrxdpkZuLt3AApYJgHzu2lt5osvJbGKL6/ajscJNM0UJ Jj6eMWCYBxYd0ZG3stbe8ktCyV0L+qjX5FBNJcNZDqh0CfCqx4dRADvU5zD0F41Z49EjXRx tJh+PAGxGiFrmMviy8MFteIxvX9FtaStdXqEgc3KlLOKM23OommMT3Ib7NvHHSDjsbhZqCt wrbmXs7avB5Y68zv6C6Jw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:f5qH8A+JjY0=:eVT1Ts/germ61jdpyd//Y5 Op1lLUyQOYMGIssC135dmdmRf/ut7X6AdHx+LKUJuaQ66sPd9zHj8f+lr015rh69I6uzmDbg7 sHlTu7oROgLMFsAiOVz0GNBeJ5EitU+lZlKx7SdiC+SxQwe4A4PSqfbo1VVEuaecSbVwfjO1T OCsNoa/UBX8tCh9hLA4d+IbYkDqFqE8z6DWNgAAC0eu5FIYtmB2fejkOturPxVxFzSSRcVn24 h3nHj7aGU3BQ7HRcrgJ1PUapqqk0XGx4a/gQXF8fgXOko3jIDB64vdtURzsdWARbjRcha/sBm UsWAQWRwynQSKxx/zagoziOGnnlLB+AqWmX3XypW83QS/O3/Hhus2LaTm7LP3P8OeBVIXpayA V5Qvjd5PFjFuLXZ8FQlqAwC+8GCfuLD2vM5BbaNjWbGjb+vxQgSSHxh/Rs5L5beecUn1UazqM tnUA6twS3uPdagtgRLH/hC/k6DjMDDoHUnN0K6lIfvmjGlS1n81WXvElUZJi9eiIy53MX7/o7 cBNsbB6loZuT7T/uwtZZbryRFTT4PC0E2UqaM0YhS3fcIXn9McwqGWfVa8kfFGknVjv8xxZZM Gwy0UF/emafq+Z+X0ms9xs9L0T1EbwiIrLBixb1vyvZ/bWiFydBaI1MelxeZWDn8UtAj1iox5 STK60JBwx8wjj9jQH/nFk6xAkr22l5vbWbDGQuU84qFAM+wiu/AvrrIa2aGMoEOaRSbcRfkaO eh8Ev70YST3HwSPX8biqo3xYxc2R3LCDPF/Y42SlHk6Bx3h5e/ljfOWu09xvfwJCb73AXPmlx mQOhPyg+xcN/FixAFe80HgSm8atTsKzKf2tYJn7lDmqQiUXapw6uPbBx5nprNy/FCZZoPr9z8 54fo0xcTu8SKKgMB7P1Q== X-Archives-Salt: 09143ee8-d59a-41ae-8cca-7ad071ce2881 X-Archives-Hash: 3a9777e6c0206b7e40ad973c01678cf3 On 2/9/21 2:56 PM, Michael wrote: > On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 13:25:01 GMT n952162 wrote: >> On 2/9/21 12:57 PM, Michael wrote: >>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 10:01:04 GMT n952162 wrote: >>>> On 2/9/21 10:05 AM, Dale wrote: >>>>> n952162 wrote: >>>>>> Are extra administrative steps necessary when --sync brings in a ne= w >>>>>> >>>>>> kernel, as in: >>>>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Upgrade >>>>>> >>>>>> I currently have this situation: >>>>>> >>>>>> $ uname -a >>>>>> Linux host *4.19.72-gentoo* #7 SMP Tue Jun 9 19:51:52 CEST 2020 x86= _64 >>>>>> GNU/Linux >>>>>> >>>>>> $ eselect kernel list >>>>>> >>>>>> Available kernel symlink targets: >>>>>> [1] linux-5.4.72-gentoo >>>>>> [2] linux-5.4.80-gentoo-r1 >>>>>> [3] linux-5.4.92-gentoo >>>>>> >>>>>> If an update requires additional steps, shouldn't that have appeare= d >>>>>> in the news? >>>>> It depends I think. I say think because there may be a binary kerne= l >>>>> available which will upgrade itself. I seem to recall reading about= it >>>>> on a mailing list somewhere. I have no experience with it tho. Tha= t >>>>> said, if you use the old method, you have to upgrade the kernel >>>>> yourself. There are scripts you can use to help automate it a good = bit >>>>> but some of us still do it the manual way. When you do updates, eme= rge >>>>> will pull in the new sources but the rest is up to you. I suspect m= ost >>>>> that do it the old way, copy .config over to the new kernel director= y, >>>>> run make oldconfig and answer the questions, compile the new kernel, >>>>> copy it to /boot using the right method which there is a few of and = then >>>>> configure your bootloader if needed. The link you posted explains t= his >>>>> in more detail, and may be more complete too. >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to remember what that binary kernel thing is called. I j= ust >>>>> skimmed the messages so it could be something else or not even in th= e >>>>> tree yet. >>>>> >>>>> Dale >>>>> >>>>> :-) :-) >>>> Ah, maybe I have a theory what's going on ... maybe there's no news t= hat >>>> it's time to upgrade the kernel, because it's not meant that the kern= el >>>> necessarily needs to be upgraded ... except that it seems that the >>>> virtualbox-modules package might have a (unfortunate) dependency on >>>> that... >>> I'm not sure I understand completely why there should be a news item f= rom >>> portage whenever new kernel sources are updated and downloaded. It is= up >>> the system administrator to configure and build the new sources if >>> desired. >> gentoo policy is that administrators need to keep their systems >> up-to-date. The promise is, if they do so, the dependency system will >> be reliable. >> >> The kernel version is apparently an exception to this. The updating >> mechanism does not require that this track the synchronization of the >> portage tree. Administrators are free to decide what kernel they want >> to use. This works - except for virtualbox-modules. >> >>> Each time you upgrade your kernel on the host, external modules will >>> require updating/rebuilding. The set '@module-rebuild' does that inst= ead >>> of having to re-emerge manually each external module. >> Yes, in another context, your tip about this helped me to solve a >> separate problem with vbox. A quick survey didn't find mention of this >> facility in the handbook. Perhaps I missed it. > Yes, I just found it in the Handbook here: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Kernel#Post-ins= tall. > 2Fupgrade_tasks > > > and in the wiki here: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/ > Upgrade#Reinstalling_external_kernel_modules > Okay, good.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thank you. > Or you could shoot for the latest stable 5.4.92, which > works fine here, also on a host which runs VBox. Yes, I'll do that.