From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SDBGl-00086N-8g for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:03:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA004E0C1A for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.166]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88BDE0B3D for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.132] (helo=smtp1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SD9CX-00026P-3W for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:51:17 +0200 Received: from 5ed027d6.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([94.208.39.214] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SD9CW-0002YO-Qs for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:51:17 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF56C2A06 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:52:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id prdCGl3z4PWw for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from www.antarean.org (net.antarean.org [10.10.11.5]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6AF2052 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 62.132.204.73 (SquirrelMail authenticated user joost) by www.antarean.org with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:52:53 +0200 Message-ID: <2bb62da901a741e3044e3df326221b0f.squirrel@www.antarean.org> In-Reply-To: <20120321225509.GA18601@waltdnes.org> References: <20120318151502.36891b0a@khamul.example.com> <20120318222337.GA11848@waltdnes.org> <20120319003526.5cb093c3@khamul.example.com> <20120319225822.GA13451@waltdnes.org> <20120320011824.0c4f0748@khamul.example.com> <20120321044027.GC15853@waltdnes.org> <20120321162924.08ac20df@khamul.example.com> <20120321225509.GA18601@waltdnes.org> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:52:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: -0.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: BAYES_00=-1.9,KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.001,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: bd3f8e93-1837-47e2-8e0d-d00679488ad4 X-Archives-Hash: 2656eba8b7240e91491cc2825a80aad4 On Thu, March 22, 2012 12:55 am, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:02:32PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote > >> I said this before, but it sounds useful to try to reiterate: >> >> * It's probable that service-specific files should not be included in >> the init system package. >> * Service-specific init files should probably be part of the >> distro-localized version of a service-providing package. >> >> This doesn't mean modifying binaries, this is part of bootstrapping a >> service's environment. Call it "deferred installation stages", if you >> like; things which need to be done for the service to be configured >> and properly operate. > > My point is that the startup, sanity-checking, and initialization cod= e > has to go *SOMEWHERE*. Where do you propose moving it to? This > discussion reminds me of an ethnic joke. A bunch of workers had dug ou= t > a hole for the basement and foundations where a new house was to be > built. The workers ask their foreman what they should do with the pile > of dirt they had from digging out the hole for the new house. Their > foreman, who is ____________ tells them to go dig another hole in the > ground and throw the dirt in there. ... After pushing the foreman in.... ;) -- Joost