From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7H4k-0006g0-Oq for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:21:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 985D3E0C8F; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58308E0C8F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:27 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,704,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="140960345" Received: from unknown (HELO compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org) ([213.152.39.90]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 08 Nov 2009 23:21:26 +0000 Received: from funf.stroller.uk.eu.org (funf.stroller.uk.eu.org [192.168.1.71]) by compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40E31269D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <283ACC7D-9237-404B-8E97-FB78E0D9D5B5@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> From: Stroller To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200911090051.14209.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it? Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:24 +0000 References: <39CFC182-B039-4D26-9880-DC26485DF8F2@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <4AF7443D.7070708@gmail.com> <6D611A39-D2CB-4084-8EFE-B2EF74D9F445@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <200911090051.14209.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Archives-Salt: 67913f56-5977-4d68-8cbb-dd6900a2a7b5 X-Archives-Hash: 48d88670172e3c814e9bff524e19ed5b On 8 Nov 2009, at 22:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 09 November 2009 00:41:08 Stroller wrote: >> Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I >> could be spending reading a good book, instead [1]. >> Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this >> thread. > > And yet you use gentoo.... > > Considering what gentoo is and how one interfaces with it, should > you not > rather be using a binary distro where someone else does the heavy > lifting? > Something like Fedora, OpenSuse, Ubuntu? Not at all. Are you taking this discussion combatively? I like Gentoo, I'm used to it, familiar with it (at least fairly so), I find it easy. When I've tried other distros I've found myself wasting time for various reasons. I find CLI configuration reassuring - this is basically why I switched away from Windows - because at the command line I "know" that an operation has performed successfully, instead of having to rely on a checkbox which is supposed to work like magic. I suspect that, ultimately, it's the USE flags that save me time. If I have to recompile _by hand_ just one or two programs because a binary distro doesn't include the options I need, or because it adds GUI dependencies which I don't want "cluttering up" my headless server, then that is probably a bigger waste of my time than using Gentoo. Remember that if I do that I also have to manage those packages manually, check for updates, worry about them getting clobbered by the distro's own updates, have hassle when other installed packages demand a dependency which I have fulfilled with this manual installation. What do you think is demanding or time-wasting about Gentoo? I just don't see why I should spend time messing with something, just because you (or Volker or anyone, not to make this personal) doesn't like the way it "looks". When it works perfectly! Stroller.