From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Ifp-0007MA-PL for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:48:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FA9F21C292; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C3221C104 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.145] (helo=smtp14.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Ieo-00034K-Bg for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:47:46 +0200 Received: from 5ed027a1.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([94.208.39.161] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp14.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Iem-0000oI-1h for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:47:44 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB8ECF4 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:48:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8LxnDM1UF5YB for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74F6F635 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:48:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:47:40 +0200 Message-ID: <26892662.A1KhZUen91@eve> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.1 (Linux/2.6.36-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.7.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1R5Iem-0000oI-1h X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-0.615, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, KHOP_DYNAMIC 0.73, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.50, TW_LV 0.08) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 17deb5242407956e8146a744f991e2a0 On Saturday, September 17, 2011 02:43:00 PM Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s wro= te: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s =20 wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld =20 wrote: > >> On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s = wrote: > >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Joost Roeleveld =20 wrote: > >>> > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Pel=E1ez Vald= =E9s wrote: > >>> >> "Last time I checked, neither GNOME nor Emacs demanded that > >>> >> Gentoo > >>> >> developers or users had to write a fork/replacement for a core= > >>> >> component of the system. GNOME and Emacs just need ebuilds and= > >>> >> adapting their configuration to Gentoo-isms. Testing and bug > >>> >> reporting, as usual. The only code needed is some small > >>> >> patches for > >>> >> both and around 200 lines of emacslisp for site-gentoo.el." > >>> >=20 > >>> > Funny that you mention this. There might be something similar > >>> > brewing > >>> > for > >>> > users of Gnome where quite a few low-level parts will end up > >>> > being > >>> > mandatory for Gnome: > >>> >=20 > >>> > "...but I'm increasingly seeing talk on the > >>> > gnome side of the "Gnome OS", to include pulse-audio, systemd, > >>> > policykit, > >>> > udev/u* (thus forcing lvm as well, at least lvm installation th= o > >>> > nothing forces one to use it... yet, since lvm is required for > >>> > udisks), etc.">>>=20 > >>> I'm pretty sure the last part is false. I certainly have udisk > >>> installet (it's pulled by gnome-disk-utility), but I don't use LV= M. > >>> So > >>> there. > >>=20 > >> I don't use Gnome and haven't looked into all this. Udev also does= n't > >> appear to have a LVM-useflag. But as I do use LVM, I can't actuall= y > >> check. Do you have "sys-fs/lvm2" on your system? > >>=20 > >> The ebuild does list it as "RDEPEND". > >=20 > > Yes, I got it installed. I didn't noticed until now. Then again, it= > > takes 1 minute to install in my puny laptop, and uses 7 Mb of hard > > drive. But anyhow, I was mistaken: it is forced by udisks. >=20 > I think udisks depending on LVM is an error, so I decided I would too= k > this Saturday and see if I was able to write a patch that makes it > optional. However, as per free software rules, I first visited the > Freedesktop.org bugzilla. >=20 > Gustavo Barbieri (who I mentioned before) got there first: >=20 > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D37647 >=20 > As I said before, Gustavo has contributed a lot to systemd, usually > making stuff optional. I'm sure his patch (or a similar version of it= ) > will be accepted. I hope so too. I do use LVM, so having LVM used by "udisks" is logical.= But if=20 LVM isn't used, the tools shouldn't have to be present. I did notice on that bug-link that it was raised nearly 4 months ago wi= th no=20 response from the developers even though a patch exists was provided. > As I keep saying: code talks. Yes, but the developers are quiet with regards to that patch. I can understand if it takes some time to analyse a patch, but 4 months= with=20 no response is, in my view, similar to the devs saying they don't care.= -- Joost