From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEAF1381FA for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 10:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7CEEE09FF; Sun, 4 May 2014 10:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE3BE09B7 for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 10:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.137] (helo=smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wgtnq-0000YQ-8x for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 May 2014 12:37:50 +0200 Received: from 53579160.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.145.96] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wgtnp-00048t-Uc for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 May 2014 12:37:50 +0200 Received: from andromeda.localnet (unknown [10.20.13.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E7704C for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 12:37:17 +0200 (CEST) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] boot problems Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 12:37:02 +0200 Message-ID: <2617277.0prN43vc8H@andromeda> User-Agent: KMail/4.11.5 (Linux/3.10.25-gentoo; KDE/4.11.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <6603098.FxQB9JV5gG@wstn> References: <5364C0F9.3000906@xunil.at> <536559F1.9090103@xunil.at> <6603098.FxQB9JV5gG@wstn> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Ziggo-spambar: ---- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -4.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,PROLO_TRUST_RDNS=-3,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: ae7deafe-65b5-4273-93b1-09617f45df95 X-Archives-Hash: 7e580fe4d1cc79fbb3620b61b36b80f4 On Sunday, May 04, 2014 09:53:35 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Saturday 03 May 2014 23:04:49 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > > I spent nearly the whole day digging around this issue ... > > You did better than I did recently: I spent four days at it. For mission-critical systems, I would have done a clean re-install already with data copied back from a backup. More then 24 hours is a deadline. For non-critical, I am willing to invest more time. > > I wonder if I speak for more users when I say that all this is kind of > > confusing sometimes ... > > I'm with you there, Stefan. I find the whole RAID and LVM area deeply > mysterious, and the docs I've seen only say what to do, not why. I'd still > like to find a proper explanation of how it all works. I used to have a howto bookmarked that gave more detail then the current step- by-step examples. Unfortunately, that whole website disappeared about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe check the old thread where Dale started with LVM. There is a lot of detail in there. > > I am not so far to skip the initramfs -> I don't *know* that, I just > > tested removing the line from grub2 and it failed finding the root-fs. > > I've never had an initramfs, seeing no need in my case to keep /usr on its > own partition. Same here, until that whole mess started and I ended up using an initramfs. At the same time, I moved everything except /boot onto RAID-0 for the desktops. > > For booting from a plain partition on an SSD I think I shouldn't need an > > initramfs? Does it have to do with MBR/GPT as well (the SSD is > > still/again MBR, as UEFI booting broke badly for me back then) ? > > As far as I know, the only thing that /requires/ an initramfs is having a > separate /usr. And I can't help you with GPT or UEFI - sorry. A seperate " /usr " or " / " on LVM. > > Maybe I learn more soon ;-) > > I sometimes say that life is just one long journey of discovery :-) It is. And that's what makes life interesting. -- Joost