From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79B541396D9 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 13337E0D34; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5A51E069C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.69.80.10] (helo=peak.localnet) by smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1e2D1a-0002Jk-M7 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:09:58 +0000 From: Peter Humphrey To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge firefox-52.4.0 compile failure Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:09:58 +0100 Message-ID: <2596714.AvGLiaXIEX@peak> In-Reply-To: References: <13237851.kjQTi65v7m@peak> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Originating-smarthost03c-IP: [82.69.80.10] Feedback-ID: 82.69.80.10 X-Archives-Salt: 5c392d81-46c6-48a5-ad41-46e5a39797ad X-Archives-Hash: 766ec6e81e990a558f58ba3ff1c9b91c On Wednesday, 11 October 2017 04:02:36 BST R0b0t1 wrote: > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Peter Humphrey > wrote: > > What's called Management in ISO9000. > > ISO9000 still lets you shoot yourself in the foot. You just wrote down > that you were going to shoot yourself in the foot well in advance. It aims to ensure that what is produced is exactly what is intended. If shooting yourself in the foot is a credible business objective, so be it, but you'd have trouble showing how the business would benefit from it, or in persuading an auditor. Or the shareholders in the business, for that matter. ISO9000 operates at company management level, not programmer level. Actually, I can't be authoritative on ISO 9000 today; my experience dates back 20 years, to when I got a varied group of 100 software people through an audit against ISO 9001 (long story, not relevant here). I don't suppose the principles will have changed much though. -- Regards, Peter.