[gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Mick]

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Hi All,

After some recent KDE updates I noticed that Kmail-5.7.3 no longer shows the 
message components at the bottom of the preview pane.  As a result I can't see 
the components of multipart messages or select to view HTML content on a per 
message basis, should I want/need to do so.

Have you noticed the same?  Any idea how I could restore this feature?

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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Manuel Mommertz]

Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 14:42:31 CEST schrieb Mick:
> Hi All,
> 
> After some recent KDE updates I noticed that Kmail-5.7.3 no longer shows the
> message components at the bottom of the preview pane.  As a result I can't
> see the components of multipart messages or select to view HTML content on
> a per message basis, should I want/need to do so.
> 
> Have you noticed the same?  Any idea how I could restore this feature?

you need to press ctrl+alt+D now to activate it. No menu entry anymore, see:
see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387931

Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Mick]

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On Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:45:45 BST Manuel Mommertz wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 14:42:31 CEST schrieb Mick:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > After some recent KDE updates I noticed that Kmail-5.7.3 no longer shows
> > the message components at the bottom of the preview pane.  As a result I
> > can't see the components of multipart messages or select to view HTML
> > content on a per message basis, should I want/need to do so.
> > 
> > Have you noticed the same?  Any idea how I could restore this feature?
> 
> you need to press ctrl+alt+D now to activate it. No menu entry anymore, see:
> see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387931

Thank you Manuel.  Unfortunately ctrl+alt+D on an Enlightenment desktop does 
something entirely different (minimises all windows).

I used Settings/Configure Toolbars and added "Show Message Structure" to the 
main menu for now.

On a Plasma desktop it works as advertised, so other users on Plasma who may 
need this feature could use it accordingly.

Annoyingly, the 'View Source' submenu option was also removed ... arrrgh!  
However, pressing 'v' on a preview pane acts as a short cut for this function.

Thanks again for your help with this.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Manuel Mommertz]

Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 19:49:16 CEST schrieb Mick:
> On Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:45:45 BST Manuel Mommertz wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 14:42:31 CEST schrieb Mick:
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > After some recent KDE updates I noticed that Kmail-5.7.3 no longer shows
> > > the message components at the bottom of the preview pane.  As a result I
> > > can't see the components of multipart messages or select to view HTML
> > > content on a per message basis, should I want/need to do so.
> > > 
> > > Have you noticed the same?  Any idea how I could restore this feature?
> > 
> > you need to press ctrl+alt+D now to activate it. No menu entry anymore,
> > see: see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387931
> 
> Thank you Manuel.  Unfortunately ctrl+alt+D on an Enlightenment desktop does
> something entirely different (minimises all windows).
> 
> I used Settings/Configure Toolbars and added "Show Message Structure" to the
> main menu for now.
> 
> On a Plasma desktop it works as advertised, so other users on Plasma who may
> need this feature could use it accordingly.
> 
> Annoyingly, the 'View Source' submenu option was also removed ... arrrgh!
> However, pressing 'v' on a preview pane acts as a short cut for this
> function.

Yeah, 'View Source' is the other menu-entry I miss since some versions. 

> Thanks again for your help with this.

No problem

Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Elijah Mark Anderson]

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Any idea why the Kmail team are making such seemingly bad decisions lately?

On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 1:53:40 PM CDT Manuel Mommertz wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 19:49:16 CEST schrieb Mick:
> > On Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:45:45 BST Manuel Mommertz wrote:
> > > Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 14:42:31 CEST schrieb Mick:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > 
> > > > After some recent KDE updates I noticed that Kmail-5.7.3 no longer
> > > > shows
> > > > the message components at the bottom of the preview pane.  As a result
> > > > I
> > > > can't see the components of multipart messages or select to view HTML
> > > > content on a per message basis, should I want/need to do so.
> > > > 
> > > > Have you noticed the same?  Any idea how I could restore this feature?
> > > 
> > > you need to press ctrl+alt+D now to activate it. No menu entry anymore,
> > > see: see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387931
> > 
> > Thank you Manuel.  Unfortunately ctrl+alt+D on an Enlightenment desktop
> > does something entirely different (minimises all windows).
> > 
> > I used Settings/Configure Toolbars and added "Show Message Structure" to
> > the main menu for now.
> > 
> > On a Plasma desktop it works as advertised, so other users on Plasma who
> > may need this feature could use it accordingly.
> > 
> > Annoyingly, the 'View Source' submenu option was also removed ... arrrgh!
> > However, pressing 'v' on a preview pane acts as a short cut for this
> > function.
> 
> Yeah, 'View Source' is the other menu-entry I miss since some versions.
> 
> > Thanks again for your help with this.
> 
> No problem

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Marc Joliet]

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Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 20:53:40 CEST schrieb Manuel Mommertz:
> Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 19:49:16 CEST schrieb Mick:
[...]
> > Annoyingly, the 'View Source' submenu option was also removed ... arrrgh!
> > However, pressing 'v' on a preview pane acts as a short cut for this
> > function.
> 
> Yeah, 'View Source' is the other menu-entry I miss since some versions.
[...]

I'm not sure what you mean.  I use KMail 5.7.3, too, and still have a "view 
source" menu entry under "Message", or whatever it's called in English locales 
(in German it's "Nachricht" -> "Nachrichtencode ansehen").

HTH
-- 
Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Elijah Mark Anderson]

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On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:28:40 PM CDT Marc Joliet wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean.  I use KMail 5.7.3, too, and still have a "view
> source" menu entry under "Message", or whatever it's called in English
> locales (in German it's "Nachricht" -> "Nachrichtencode ansehen").
> 
> HTH

I think they're talking about the popup/context menu when you right-click in 
the message preview pane. 

--
Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Marc Joliet]

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Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2018, 00:11:11 CEST schrieb Elijah Mark Anderson:
> On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:28:40 PM CDT Marc Joliet wrote:
> > I'm not sure what you mean.  I use KMail 5.7.3, too, and still have a
> > "view
> > source" menu entry under "Message", or whatever it's called in English
> > locales (in German it's "Nachricht" -> "Nachrichtencode ansehen").
> > 
> > HTH
> 
> I think they're talking about the popup/context menu when you right-click in
> the message preview pane.

Ah!  Yeah, now I remember, it did indeed disappear at some point :( .

-- 
Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Mick]

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On Tuesday, 3 April 2018 23:26:45 BST Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2018, 00:11:11 CEST schrieb Elijah Mark Anderson:
> > On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:28:40 PM CDT Marc Joliet wrote:
> > > I'm not sure what you mean.  I use KMail 5.7.3, too, and still have a
> > > "view
> > > source" menu entry under "Message", or whatever it's called in English
> > > locales (in German it's "Nachricht" -> "Nachrichtencode ansehen").
> > > 
> > > HTH
> > 
> > I think they're talking about the popup/context menu when you right-click
> > in the message preview pane.
> 
> Ah!  Yeah, now I remember, it did indeed disappear at some point :( .

Yes, exactly.  When 'View Source' disappeared from the context menu of the 
preview pane, I went fishing for it in the main menu.  There I discovered 'v' 
being the keybinding for 'View Source' and have been using it since.  However, 
I often have to move the mouse onto the main window or preview pane, so right-
clicking to view the source of a message always felt like a more natural 
approach.

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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Elijah Mark Anderson]

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On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:28:49 PM CDT Mick wrote:
> Yes, exactly.  When 'View Source' disappeared from the context menu of the
> preview pane, I went fishing for it in the main menu.  There I discovered
> 'v' being the keybinding for 'View Source' and have been using it since. 
> However, I often have to move the mouse onto the main window or preview
> pane, so right- clicking to view the source of a message always felt like a
> more natural approach.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Mick

Agreed. Somebody who's on the KMail Dev mailing list want to forward this 
thread to them? 

-- 
Elijah Mark Anderson
mark@kd0bpv.name
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Marc Joliet]

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Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 14:42:31 CEST schrieb Mick:
> or select to view HTML content on a per
> message basis

FWIW, for just this particular task you can add the "Toggle HTML Display Mode" 
toolbar button (in German it's "HTML Anzeigemodus Umschalten").  I also found 
a similar feature at https://userbase.kde.org/Kmail/Using_Kmail_General 
(search for "HTML").

HTH
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Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kmail message components

[Mick]

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On Tuesday, 3 April 2018 22:52:51 BST Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. April 2018, 14:42:31 CEST schrieb Mick:
> > or select to view HTML content on a per
> > message basis
> 
> FWIW, for just this particular task you can add the "Toggle HTML Display
> Mode" toolbar button (in German it's "HTML Anzeigemodus Umschalten").  I
> also found a similar feature at
> https://userbase.kde.org/Kmail/Using_Kmail_General (search for "HTML").

Yes, this will deal with toggling the display of the HTML part of a message, 
but it will not offer many other options available through the 'Message 
Structure' pane, like 'Save As', 'Open With', 'Copy', etc.  

I used HTML as an example of a message component.  Personally, I use the 'Show 
Message Structure' to inspect/troubleshoot the envelop structure of multipart 
messages, save parts separately, etc.  I also use 'View Source' to check 
message headers.  So, when these two functions suddenly disappeared I started 
looking for them.  I wasn't aware that they had gone due to conscious 
decisions taken by the devs.

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Mick

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