From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-130380-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1RJVtK-0008HZ-MT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:45:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0ADC21C052; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0156E050F for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faai28 with SMTP id i28so3718478faa.40 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:44:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=JhXizR2GJDVgY3U8J/V6wRpyE0yyFbtSCcyBUOuvO9k=; b=bnS+2vWM+Cgl+bld+RZmUnMNfaIR0F09sgtsJfE9K+836dTLxXb+xM6G9LqwC6T0s6 zx0WhT3qwm/Rku4Pim+chyOMi7Dsk0b318UaE/7sdT3xwcO+eY5MrejkgRjLlGKy02QM 83iEJIkwxqF2UJc7ed1EOvLI9WFOMd5b6Hulw= Received: by 10.223.17.3 with SMTP id q3mr248134faa.28.1319744484301; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localnet (p4FC60862.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [79.198.8.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y8sm12891685faj.10.2011.10.27.12.41.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Hard drive RPMs and data speed. Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:41:21 +0200 Message-ID: <2509854.gnJJdlHcqy@localhost> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.2 (Linux/3.0.7; KDE/4.7.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiDZq8X=13G=waLmAjO1Bq4dwd0vSS1nXYShk03dXK2KRg@mail.gmail.com> References: <4EA9130A.6070807@gmail.com> <3548470.itfJ2OrkKu@localhost> <CA+czFiDZq8X=13G=waLmAjO1Bq4dwd0vSS1nXYShk03dXK2KRg@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: a695f0da55204fe25d9c9a179cc5c09a Am Donnerstag 27 Oktober 2011, 15:17:45 schrieb Michael Mol: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > > <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Am Donnerstag 27 Oktober 2011, 13:51:47 schrieb Michael Mol: > >> Just don't buy a SAMSUNG drive. I know, I know, everyone has their pet > >> "Don't Buy Hard Drives Made By $x" experience. > >> > >> Here's mine. > >> > >> I bought a 1TB SAMSUNG drive for cheap from Newegg at a Black Friday > >> sale a couple years ago. It failed on me. Around the same time, I > >> identified some flaws in the firmware which I considered severe[2]. > >> > >> I RMA'd the drive, including a full report on the failure and the bugs > >> I'd found in the firmware. I received the new drive in the mail. Same > >> exact model. Same exact firmware revision.[1] It failed on me within > >> three months. I attempted another RMA, the drive's serial number was > >> rejected by their system, and I never heard back. > >> > >> So, I recommend not buying SAMSUNG drives for a combination of: > >> 1) Historical evidence of poor firmware design. (reference smartctl's > >> man page; SAMSUNG is the only manufacturer I know of to get two > >> user-selectable workarounds in smartctl.) > >> 2) I received a failed drive, which was RMA'd, the subsequent drive > >> failed shortly thereafter, and couldn't be RMA'd using normal > >> channels. > >> 3) No acknowledgement (or even denial) of the firmware issue. > >> > >> [1] Ok, sure, there's no way they'd be able to whip out a new firmware > >> revision in time for an RMA. That wouldn't make sense. But they might > >> have sent me a drive with a different firmware revision. Or a > >> different model. As it stood, they sent me back a device I'd already > >> identified as systemically defective. > >> [2] It claimed to support logging, but any failed test didn't get > >> appended to the log, but erased and replaced it. I can probably dig up > >> nearly all the details, but not quickly, since I'm at work. However, > >> since you're on the cusp of making a purchase, I thought I'd give you > >> fair warning... > > > > /dev/sda: > > > > Model=SAMSUNG MMCRE64G5MXP-0VB, FwRev=VBM1901Q, SerialNo=S0FDNEAZ600013 > > > > /dev/sdb: > > > > Model=SAMSUNG HD502IJ, FwRev=1AA01109, SerialNo=S13TJDWQ346413 > > > > /dev/sdc: > > > > Model=SAMSUNG HD753LJ, FwRev=1AA01113, SerialNo=S13UJ1CQB07158 > > > > /dev/sdd: > > > > Model=SAMSUNG HD502HJ, FwRev=1AJ100E5, SerialNo=S20BJDWS913888 > > > > /dev/sde: > > > > Model=SAMSUNG HD103SJ, FwRev=1AJ10001, SerialNo=S246JD1Z910209 > > > > /dev/sdf: > > > > Model=SAMSUNG HD103SJ, FwRev=1AJ100E5, SerialNo=S246JDWSA20722 > > > > the 2tb drive is not connected at the moment - but, hey it's a Samsung - > > ans so quiet, that I sometimes forget to turn it off. > > > > Oh, yeah it was THAT 2tb drive with the smart bug. > > > > Which was solved with an easy to do firmware update. > > I checked at the time. There was no firmware update, and, to my > knowledge, there never was for the drive model that failed on me. > Shortly after my second drive failed, Newegg discontinued selling > model. (The most I remember about the model number can be expressed as > a regex: HD10.*UI. I don't remember the firmware revision. > > It was the combination of historical problems, personal incidental > experience and terrible customer service that led me to swear off > SAMSUNG drives. Take away any one of those issues from my experiences > at the time, and I'd consider buying another drive from them. > > You've got six working drives of various sizes, models and firmware > revisions. Good for you. I've got a still-functional 40GB IBM > DeathStar. (It's not powered up right now, but it never failed on me > after five years of use.) and I had 5 death stars failing on me. ... -- #163933