From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R3N8G-0007bs-FY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:10:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7470621C08A; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.166]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C6921C33F for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.134] (helo=smtp3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R3N6k-0006Qy-FW for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:08:38 +0200 Received: from 5ed027a1.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([94.208.39.161] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R3N6f-0003S0-EF for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:08:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FB4ED0 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:08:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9eKQz8cCsejg for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:08:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2760F635 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:08:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:08:30 +0200 Message-ID: <2500343.2otD0xfPre@eve> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.1 (Linux/2.6.36-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.7.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20110912222405.732b47ad@weird.wonkology.org> References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> <20110912222405.732b47ad@weird.wonkology.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1R3N6f-0003S0-EF X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-0.692, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, KHOP_DYNAMIC 0.73, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.50) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: b0e1704b4b0fefdd4c6360d6f6744551 On Monday, September 12, 2011 10:24:05 PM Alex Schuster wrote: > Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s writes: > > But what you guys don't seem to realize is that /lib and /bin and > > /sbin was the original hack: everything really should go into /usr,= > > because now (with an initramfs) we can do what we were not able 30 > > years ago. We not need anything in /, really. >=20 > You do have a point here. >=20 > > Anyway, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just wanted to show the > > links and to make clear among other things that *no one* has ever > > proposed (even less try to force) a non separatable /var. You can > > speculate all you want, but that's all: speculation. >=20 > I cannot find it, but I'm very sure I just read about /var also being= > affected. But it looks indeed like that will not be necessary at all.= What about dependencies for: /var/lock/lvm/..... (For LVM-operations) /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket (Isn't "dbus" going to be part of syste= md?) To me, this seems like either these need to be moved to "/", or there i= s a=20 dependency for /var. > > Going back to work: nice chatting with you guys. >=20 > Thanks for your input and your time. >=20 > Personally, I don't really care that much. Either I somehow update my= > initramfs (I expect this to be easy) to include the stuff needed > formounting /usr, or I extend my root partition and put /usr in it. I= > still don't like that much, but there are just more important problem= s, > and it's really not such a big deal. Just another big update that nee= ds > manual intervention, as it happens from time to time. Like the migrat= ion > to openrc for example. I wonder why no one complained about that when= it > happened. The migration to openrc went fine for me when it went into stable. The = only=20 issue I had was that /etc/init.d/net.eth0 didn't exist. That was an eas= y fix. I'm glad I always have access to the console here. This was also reported quite early in the documentation and mailing lis= ts,=20 which I checked *after* I upgraded one of the xen-domains on the server= . This requirement is going to force me to use an init* for all my machin= es and=20 I need to check how to get this to work for Xen PV-domains. I have mana= ged to=20 avoid using bootloaders for this as I don't store the kernel on the dom= ains=20 themselves. -- Joost