[gentoo-user] external storage

[gentoo-user] external storage

[thelma]

Are all external storage, media/disk work with Linux?
Any recommendations, or which one to stay away from.

Some of them are encrypted, so I suppose they will not work with Linux
out of the box.

-- 
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] external storage

[Davyd McColl]

Most newer external storage devices come formatted with ntfs these days, so 
if you just want to plug-and-play, I suggest installing ntfs-3g. File 
managers like dolphin and desktop environments like KDE will notice the 
device and allow you to mount and use them.

Be aware, though, that ntfs-3g, whilst being an excellent bit of software 
(imo), is not the fastest way to access those disks. If you have no need to 
move the disk to another computer or if you only plan on moving between 
Linux computers, I suggest formatting with a native filesystem like ext4. 
Personally, I use ntfs-3g for my 4 large external disks so that I can 
access them when I infrequently dual-boot to windows of on the off-chance 
that I would like to lend the drive to someone. I accept the performance 
penalty.

-d


On October 3, 2018 05:45:58 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:

> Are all external storage, media/disk work with Linux?
> Any recommendations, or which one to stay away from.
>
> Some of them are encrypted, so I suppose they will not work with Linux
> out of the box.
>
> --
> Thelma
>

Re: [gentoo-user] external storage

[J. Roeleveld]

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:30:12 AM CEST Davyd McColl wrote:
> Most newer external storage devices come formatted with ntfs these days, so
> if you just want to plug-and-play, I suggest installing ntfs-3g. File
> managers like dolphin and desktop environments like KDE will notice the
> device and allow you to mount and use them.
> 
> Be aware, though, that ntfs-3g, whilst being an excellent bit of software
> (imo), is not the fastest way to access those disks. If you have no need to
> move the disk to another computer or if you only plan on moving between
> Linux computers, I suggest formatting with a native filesystem like ext4.
> Personally, I use ntfs-3g for my 4 large external disks so that I can
> access them when I infrequently dual-boot to windows of on the off-chance
> that I would like to lend the drive to someone. I accept the performance
> penalty.
> 
> -d
> 
> On October 3, 2018 05:45:58 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > Are all external storage, media/disk work with Linux?
> > Any recommendations, or which one to stay away from.
> > 
> > Some of them are encrypted, so I suppose they will not work with Linux
> > out of the box.
> > 
> > --
> > Thelma

I would assume other desktop environments will also seamlessly work with 
ntfs-3g as that is handled by udisks.

Personally, I have not noticed lesser performance with ntfs-3g with both 
reading and writing.

I also have not had any issues with encrypted disks.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] external storage

[John Covici]

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 01:13:34 -0400,
J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:30:12 AM CEST Davyd McColl wrote:
> > Most newer external storage devices come formatted with ntfs these days, so
> > if you just want to plug-and-play, I suggest installing ntfs-3g. File
> > managers like dolphin and desktop environments like KDE will notice the
> > device and allow you to mount and use them.
> > 
> > Be aware, though, that ntfs-3g, whilst being an excellent bit of software
> > (imo), is not the fastest way to access those disks. If you have no need to
> > move the disk to another computer or if you only plan on moving between
> > Linux computers, I suggest formatting with a native filesystem like ext4.
> > Personally, I use ntfs-3g for my 4 large external disks so that I can
> > access them when I infrequently dual-boot to windows of on the off-chance
> > that I would like to lend the drive to someone. I accept the performance
> > penalty.
> > 
> > -d
> > 
> > On October 3, 2018 05:45:58 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > > Are all external storage, media/disk work with Linux?
> > > Any recommendations, or which one to stay away from.
> > > 
> > > Some of them are encrypted, so I suppose they will not work with Linux
> > > out of the box.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Thelma
> 
> I would assume other desktop environments will also seamlessly work with 
> ntfs-3g as that is handled by udisks.
> 
> Personally, I have not noticed lesser performance with ntfs-3g with both 
> reading and writing.
> 
> I also have not had any issues with encrypted disks.

I have had problems that once a disk is mounted with ntfs3g, and then
trying to use it on a Windows system, I had to do a chkdsk /f before
it would work properly.  This was a while ago, so maybe things are
fixed by now, but I thought it was worth bringing it to your
attention.

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

         John Covici wb2una
         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: [gentoo-user] external storage

[Mick]

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On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 07:24:52 BST John Covici wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 01:13:34 -0400,
> 
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:30:12 AM CEST Davyd McColl wrote:
> > > Most newer external storage devices come formatted with ntfs these days,
> > > so
> > > if you just want to plug-and-play, I suggest installing ntfs-3g. File
> > > managers like dolphin and desktop environments like KDE will notice the
> > > device and allow you to mount and use them.
> > > 
> > > Be aware, though, that ntfs-3g, whilst being an excellent bit of
> > > software
> > > (imo), is not the fastest way to access those disks. If you have no need
> > > to
> > > move the disk to another computer or if you only plan on moving between
> > > Linux computers, I suggest formatting with a native filesystem like
> > > ext4.
> > > Personally, I use ntfs-3g for my 4 large external disks so that I can
> > > access them when I infrequently dual-boot to windows of on the
> > > off-chance
> > > that I would like to lend the drive to someone. I accept the performance
> > > penalty.
> > > 
> > > -d
> > > 
> > > On October 3, 2018 05:45:58 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > > > Are all external storage, media/disk work with Linux?
> > > > Any recommendations, or which one to stay away from.
> > > > 
> > > > Some of them are encrypted, so I suppose they will not work with Linux
> > > > out of the box.
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Thelma
> > 
> > I would assume other desktop environments will also seamlessly work with
> > ntfs-3g as that is handled by udisks.
> > 
> > Personally, I have not noticed lesser performance with ntfs-3g with both
> > reading and writing.
> > 
> > I also have not had any issues with encrypted disks.
> 
> I have had problems that once a disk is mounted with ntfs3g, and then
> trying to use it on a Windows system, I had to do a chkdsk /f before
> it would work properly.  This was a while ago, so maybe things are
> fixed by now, but I thought it was worth bringing it to your
> attention.

Did this problem manifest each time, or once only?  Could it have something to 
do with unplugging the disk while still mounted.

I used to have an ntfs formatted partition which was mounted at each boot by 
the linux OS (with an entry in fstab), but did not come across chkdsk when I 
occassionally dual-booted into MSWindows.

For USB flash storage I'd use exFAT rather than NTFS or any other journalled 
fs.

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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] external storage

[J. Roeleveld]

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:24:52 AM CEST John Covici wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 01:13:34 -0400,
> 
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:30:12 AM CEST Davyd McColl wrote:
> > > Most newer external storage devices come formatted with ntfs these days,
> > > so
> > > if you just want to plug-and-play, I suggest installing ntfs-3g. File
> > > managers like dolphin and desktop environments like KDE will notice the
> > > device and allow you to mount and use them.
> > > 
> > > Be aware, though, that ntfs-3g, whilst being an excellent bit of
> > > software
> > > (imo), is not the fastest way to access those disks. If you have no need
> > > to
> > > move the disk to another computer or if you only plan on moving between
> > > Linux computers, I suggest formatting with a native filesystem like
> > > ext4.
> > > Personally, I use ntfs-3g for my 4 large external disks so that I can
> > > access them when I infrequently dual-boot to windows of on the
> > > off-chance
> > > that I would like to lend the drive to someone. I accept the performance
> > > penalty.
> > > 
> > > -d
> > > 
> > > On October 3, 2018 05:45:58 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > > > Are all external storage, media/disk work with Linux?
> > > > Any recommendations, or which one to stay away from.
> > > > 
> > > > Some of them are encrypted, so I suppose they will not work with Linux
> > > > out of the box.
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Thelma
> > 
> > I would assume other desktop environments will also seamlessly work with
> > ntfs-3g as that is handled by udisks.
> > 
> > Personally, I have not noticed lesser performance with ntfs-3g with both
> > reading and writing.
> > 
> > I also have not had any issues with encrypted disks.
> 
> I have had problems that once a disk is mounted with ntfs3g, and then
> trying to use it on a Windows system, I had to do a chkdsk /f before
> it would work properly.  This was a while ago, so maybe things are
> fixed by now, but I thought it was worth bringing it to your
> attention.

I only encounter this when people decide to unplug the disk without ejecting 
it. The eject forces a clearance of the write-cache.
This is why I always get annoyed with people who simply pull out the disk/
stick right after the copy is "finished".

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] external storage

[thelma]

I've ordered SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable SSD.
Would format it with ext4 but if I do it, it will not work with cell
phone.  So for now I think I'll stick with exFat (default it comes
with).  It might be OK for picture backup but my exFat will stripped
extended attributes from my Linux files.

Thelma
On 10/03/2018 11:58 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:24:52 AM CEST John Covici wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 01:13:34 -0400,
>>
>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:30:12 AM CEST Davyd McColl wrote:
>>>> Most newer external storage devices come formatted with ntfs these days,
>>>> so
>>>> if you just want to plug-and-play, I suggest installing ntfs-3g. File
>>>> managers like dolphin and desktop environments like KDE will notice the
>>>> device and allow you to mount and use them.
>>>>
>>>> Be aware, though, that ntfs-3g, whilst being an excellent bit of
>>>> software
>>>> (imo), is not the fastest way to access those disks. If you have no need
>>>> to
>>>> move the disk to another computer or if you only plan on moving between
>>>> Linux computers, I suggest formatting with a native filesystem like
>>>> ext4.
>>>> Personally, I use ntfs-3g for my 4 large external disks so that I can
>>>> access them when I infrequently dual-boot to windows of on the
>>>> off-chance
>>>> that I would like to lend the drive to someone. I accept the performance
>>>> penalty.
>>>>
>>>> -d
>>>>
>>>> On October 3, 2018 05:45:58 thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>>>> Are all external storage, media/disk work with Linux?
>>>>> Any recommendations, or which one to stay away from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of them are encrypted, so I suppose they will not work with Linux
>>>>> out of the box.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thelma
>>>
>>> I would assume other desktop environments will also seamlessly work with
>>> ntfs-3g as that is handled by udisks.
>>>
>>> Personally, I have not noticed lesser performance with ntfs-3g with both
>>> reading and writing.
>>>
>>> I also have not had any issues with encrypted disks.
>>
>> I have had problems that once a disk is mounted with ntfs3g, and then
>> trying to use it on a Windows system, I had to do a chkdsk /f before
>> it would work properly.  This was a while ago, so maybe things are
>> fixed by now, but I thought it was worth bringing it to your
>> attention.
> 
> I only encounter this when people decide to unplug the disk without ejecting 
> it. The eject forces a clearance of the write-cache.
> This is why I always get annoyed with people who simply pull out the disk/
> stick right after the copy is "finished".
> 
> --
> Joost
> 
> 
> 
> 
>