From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B22F2139083 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51A4BE0E47; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4D7BE0BB3 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thetick.localnet ([93.181.44.247]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LnOve-1exrp70LHi-00hcak for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:46:43 +0100 From: Marc Joliet To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:46:30 +0100 Message-ID: <2414437.FVJPxv1ApR@thetick> In-Reply-To: <20171213110403.6c5f2217@digimed.co.uk> References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <4d3facb7-abec-2c0e-7fd0-02e2daee3f95@gmail.com> <20171213110403.6c5f2217@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2498067.nUVUu2LUV5"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:OqfFmvEpqHT5IjR9rwwpfDmtwyNtCLZDISsIajBUWiaQWNZcGFE JhnOrUr0xkSwlCURYM6FIckCf756TCcZ+5e+GeKsHCh0GfabgRWaqZ8fDC/toXZmPePOtIY qeTj1kJ20UUHTEuyjYrZq3IhBWq+RUZWE/TbN5EEDRMyQnhiZSHjVIvkg8E6rIzqeOKTbbM 9WKmRe6ryKwsG8PekBkIQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:4fb4Iz1AAfI=:dW5yX1gJMGs0rWYeYdXom/ SFsWqXTanUPwZpz7lzDWWvNkbJza2/feW4SPz7K0yb9k41jVsTQtijccSj1yfvfXARL5I4iAz 93XXW2YHyqcDPvHj1QY/ZShetPzm33BP5YB0oAk8EoOk5lovXlyrdTucwh1tgroRrHJHNqi03 Q4wZTRHBLTndvFCRVKGlgEU4vTE4AUTkNb9Hsc3FLnSJQI2eDwZx+u/y6BOdFCCMoDVoIXiSw OY3slHnCYOyT/v827HSBHXz53ZwNRrjVnDr9ZRdHzypROaAgIXerW51n324MV9nyS+I61Enk+ 9tLlB9wyajleLS+Fh+GLq9Le/EAYUp2cWWXwxXVxBQ2sFQ+ygLynxg+6/UwJPFXBNRi/2zoze z472hwN9tjk0YBDKiP4Odh9N81C5Qclfef+S7tbd6xWHhQrJQUyLtD8Sxv8cK+drxcrko0XPr orKPBdNFJFMuyCcp3slbvI0TOn3+IPebTFY0NLxSnbgQEqiYcRZ6Tj8xSbV/2Y5iA8PC39Vgb L3kC7IeveAlVav8NDAbJgwzZBeQGy97bA3+ipyRaNnpaNjkqR0zkiZet76XUFBx9NmIt0+54A j26A4s4V2k+fpur06OCMTAHpaZxyPjWG98f+9KV87vTsw6kwG/ot5++/ci0XoSPLGu8EQuO1l 6OG7S/p2wMDpbgygKnhwVggw3biQhhBBkbp/NRuAXh5grOX2hUqna6GDKorxhjso7mm2a26rt yiIT83buyRPzMqx3g5I9x6e+TY/kFTXXQ/2aYOs5xiNP5x1Tp+KHJMnVhNwkikkpTKR50chO1 fQ7JjSdIjmk6bmAH1nYngDCTRVVtw== X-Archives-Salt: 38c939f6-fcae-4d7c-a220-c7af9fc8ec9e X-Archives-Hash: 315b23fcc2adaae12c08d24cc66eaac5 --nextPart2498067.nUVUu2LUV5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2017, 12:04:03 CET schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:06:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Some historical correctnesses about Canek: > > > > - He has been here for years > > - He has contributed here for years > > - He supports systemd and has offered more help and explanation about > > systemd to it's users on this list than any other single person, bar > > none > > - He has never, not once, slagged off SysV Init, OpenRC or any other > > init system, ot the creators or the users > > - He has never posted rude or inflamatory comments about anyone arguing > > against him > > - He has never resorted to ad-hominem and never posted any knee jerk > > opinions about any other poster wrt their stance on init systems > > > > If we look at the reverse we see a very different picture, and it's > > right here in this very thread. To the poster who rudely commented about > > Canek being a professor and that doesn't make him right and that he is > > one voice, step back pal and take a very long hard look at what you > > said. Yes, it doesn't make him right. Also doesn't make him wrong. His > > posts and the content are what make him right or wrong. There truly are > > fan bois on this list, but Canek is not one of them. It's the > > systemd-haters and Poeterring-haters who are being fan bois, painting > > all detractors with the same brush. > > +1 > > It was Canek's rational explanations about systemd that made me > interested enough to try it, and I'm glad I did. He made good technical > arguments in favour of it whereas most of the arguments against it are > either based on Lennartphobia or false fact gained from other systemd > haters. +1 to both Alan and Neil. > I also see the position as somewhat different with Gentoo, because openrc > is so much better than the other "traditional" systems out there, in fact > it shares some of the benefits of systemd. As a result, I run a mixture > of both systems. I prefer systemd now, but not enough to go through the > hassle of switching over an already working system. That wouldn't be the > case if those other systems weren't running openrc. That echoes my own sentiment pretty well. OpenRC is one reason I stayed with Gentoo, because it seemed better to me than the way other distros did things (well, better than Suse, at least, which was the other distro I tried way back then). However, now I default to systemd, because for me it's even better than OpenRC. Plus, I don't have so many systems that I couldn't migrate them all :-) . -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup --nextPart2498067.nUVUu2LUV5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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