From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JE8Xg-0007v5-UK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 55033E0C26; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B0AE0C13 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A456594D for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.606 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.607, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sf5sjbv4h0X0 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF68565741 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JE8Ww-0002sR-OS for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:02 +0000 Received: from 84-72-87-192.dclient.hispeed.ch ([84.72.87.192]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:02 +0000 Received: from michael.schmarck by 84-72-87-192.dclient.hispeed.ch with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:30:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Michael Schmarck Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead? Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:24:52 +0100 Message-ID: <2318561.pjQhMoJ1HI@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <20080112141853.6339fc0f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <47892E37.9000900@gmail.com> <200801131053.20335.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4789FA54.8010407@smash-net.org> <478A05AB.1040400@gmail.com> <20080113141536.7cdc8115@loonquawl.digimed.co.uk> <1830004.gWofZTWkL2@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> <20080113163508.131eed58@loonquawl.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 84-72-87-192.dclient.hispeed.ch User-Agent: KNode/0.10.5 Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 5603007c-8fd4-430f-bc94-1c8769038877 X-Archives-Hash: a60704f73efa1a788d4f586fc80c27eb =C2=B7 Neil Bothwick : > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:00:20 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: >=20 >> > It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. >>=20 >> Why's that? >=20 > Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by > using an official install disc. I don't understand that. What confidence? To install Gentoo, you need a way to partition your storage, create filesystems and chroot. That can easily be done by any live CD. >=20 >> > It also allows you to install without a network=20 >> > connection if you have a single CD containing the handbook, tools, >> > portage snapshot and stage files.=20 >>=20 >> How do you get that stuff (the Install CD)? By downloading? Why >> can't you download the handbook, snapshot and stage tar ball as >> well at that time? And what "tools" are you talking about? fdisk? >> chroot? >=20 > Everything needed can be obtained by downloading one ISO image and > burning it to CD.=20 Well. > There's no need for extra trips back the the netted=20 > computer to fetch things you discover you need after reading the > handbook, or partway through the install. The same argument can be held against the install CD as well. >> I disagree. Maybe it's a bonus if it's offered, but then it "always" >> has to be up-to-date. And that, obviously, cannot be done right now. >> So I'd rather say, that it would be better, if there were no install >> CD at all. >=20 > But it can be done. It's not worth the effort, though, as far as I'm concerned. Michael Schmarck --=20 "But what we need to know is, do people want nasally-insertable computers= ?" --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list