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Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 19:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: <2215573.Icojqenx9y@rogueboard> In-Reply-To: References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart114410695.nniJfEyVGO"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-PPP-Message-ID: <171579649130.4005894.12560729100156906141@cloud238.thundercloud.uk> X-PPP-Vhost: kintzios.com X-Rspamd-Server: mailclean11 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.61 / 999.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+mx]; FUZZY_BLOCKED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34931, ipnet:149.255.60.0/22, country:GB]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM(-0.00)[-0.950]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[kintzios.com,none]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[confabulate@kintzios.com] X-Rspamd-Action: no action X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B2F011E0002 X-Archives-Salt: f607a695-ddc4-48ab-9ece-d576a8eb27d1 X-Archives-Hash: fbee6a53a19e95ffee130996ab7adc7e --nextPart114410695.nniJfEyVGO Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: confabulate@kintzios.com Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 19:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: <2215573.Icojqenx9y@rogueboard> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Alan, On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:23:47 BST Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Gentoo. > > My current rig is working well (hence the lack of posts to the list from > me), but .... > > The time is coming up for me to buy a new PC, the current one being > around 7 years old. It's served me well for that time, but nothing > lasts forever. Also, it would be nice to be able to build clang and > rust and friends somewhat faster. > > So I'm looking at getting an AMD Ryzen 7 7700X processor, and using its > inbuilt graphics rather than buying a distinct graphics card. > > But in the doc on wiki.gentoo.org, I can't find any mention of inbuilt > graphics; all references are to graphics _cards_. Does Gentoo support > my intended processor's graphics, and if so, how do I go about > identifying the needed microcode (if any) and so on? Am I missing > something obvious in the wiki? I don't have anything as exotic running here, but you will need amdgpu, plus (potentially) amdgpu-pro for your graphics: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU-PRO You will be able to confirm what is required in respect to firmware and kernel graphics driver components once you boot up with a liveUSB. It will complain of any missing firmware. For microcode, flash the BIOS with the latest OEM firmware and add the corresponding AMD family firmware file in your kernel: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMD_microcode If you boot with the latest Ubuntu it will probably load everything required; then fish around dmesg and hwinfo, lspci, lscpu, etc. for relevant drivers and firmware files. > As a somewhat tangential question, would it be worthwhile getting water > cooling in my new machine? In particular, to reduce the noise it gives > off while building large packages such as clang and rust? Or is water > cooling only sensible for really heavy users such as gamers? > > Thanks for the upcoming answers! WC will be quieter and more expensive than an after market air cooler. You could invest the money toward more RAM, (more/bigger) case fans, a better PSU, monitor, speakers, a new car, etc. :-) https://www.techreviewer.com/tech-specs/amd-7700x-tdp/ Cranking up 16 threads to 5.4 GHz will produce some heat, but compiles will complete sooner too. I think an air cooler will be equally as effective thermally, with fewer components to go wrong. Either way, consider the space envelop in the case because some dual fan air-coolers can be rather large. --nextPart114410695.nniJfEyVGO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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