From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SsZR0-0000mC-LP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:09:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA035E0662; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AFCAE070C for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2012 13:07:46 -0000 Received: from wl-l3-55.rz.tu-ilmenau.de (EHLO eisen.localnet) [141.24.17.55] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 21 Jul 2012 15:07:46 +0200 X-Authenticated: #4040096 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX187L1sYaQ87572LSlYWVlpBTWn9kQUPPUZGh2amfa QgZuvsabn0XG49 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : (1) which CPU ? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:07:45 +0200 Message-ID: <2187486.F0KJy94QMD@eisen> Organization: Steinstark X-Face: "1ZKx.!K_X3{$#BEQ:$_EGrL\2JP!)fOn%ETC?5g`N^|c]Ot>BKUWgrhDd%O@JCk~V84W+ dAj@~'4,w-yl(x#~nQzsu#UjM[Im(@4G[Cy:QFl&,MOH$ol=x_f+9bBFEHMuQSd_r-Dh#z v(\{?u|uqypD_!V*WDYS!m}]td@4'WhbN$ User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.3.8-gentoo; KDE/4.8.3; i686; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <20120720072442.GD2871@ca.inter.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="nextPart1736183.NApLIP78G2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Archives-Salt: 50563a04-583b-4955-9c8b-5df4559d9efd X-Archives-Hash: 53cf74640cad230e03672668fe5b71f8 --nextPart1736183.NApLIP78G2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Am Samstag, 21. Juli 2012, 15:33:05 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > On 20/07/12 10:24, Philip Webb wrote: > > I plan to build a new machine in the next few months: > > it wb for regular desktop use, but performance is as important as p= rice. >=20 > > A quick look at what was available in April suggested > > an Intel Ivy Bridge i7 ( 22 nm ) ; Phoronix said it works with Kern= el 3.2 > > + an Intel Z77 mobo (I usually buy ASUS) & that power/watt was exce= llent. > > [=E2=80=A6] > > I don't want to pay a premium price for a bleeding-edge device > > which wb available at a more normal price a few months later. Those two statements are a bit contradicting. Generally, I wouldn=E2=80=99t buy an i7. First, those high-end componen= ts tend to be=20 comparatively more expensive than their smaller siblings (regarding ban= g for=20 the buck). Okay, it=E2=80=99s a quad with HT instead of =E2=80=9Cjust a= quad=E2=80=9D (oh my, the=20 times we live in), but secondly, if it=E2=80=99s *mostly* a desktop and= occasionally=20 performance-critical, I think it is also a waste of power. More power m= eans=20 more heat means more fan noise. > > I wb buying it from the local store (Canada Computers), not on-line= . >=20 > > Does anyone have thoughts or advice ? A friend of mine built a new machine recently. I too am planning on doi= ng this=20 once I got the bucks (hopefully) in a few months. So we picked componen= ts=20 together, based on recommendations of an =E2=80=9Cefficient home-brew P= C=E2=80=9D article in=20 computer magazine c=E2=80=99t. We know that Intel is more expensive, but also less power-hungry and kn= own to=20 work excellent both with Linux and with other components. And my friend= =20 believes that the Intel graphics drivers are still superior from a FOSS= =20 standpoint (he had an ATI in his old system). Using the comprehensive Wikipedia articles on Ivy Bridge=C2=B9 and LGA1= 155=C2=B2, we=20 decided for the biggest i5 (3570K, ~220=E2=82=AC), as it has the bigger= of the two HD=20 Graphics chips (external Graphics were not on the shoping list). This n= ew baby=20 built GCC in 12 minutes and a bit. First he wanted an Intel board, but = because=20 those don=E2=80=99t have VGA anymore, he went for Gigagybe. He was buil= ding a big=20 tower ATX system, and so chose the Z77 (around 100=E2=82=AC). I, however, am planning for something more modest, a cute mATX system w= ith=20 medium power. Right now I=E2=80=99m planning on a B75 board. It has all= *I* need and=20 is considerably cheaper (70=E2=82=AC). I think I may also take the smal= ler i5 that=20 comes with HD4000, the 3475S, which is around 25=E2=82=AC cheaper. But = even then, it=20 is still a beast when compared to my Core 2 Duo laptop which has to run= =20 permanently throttled due to its ageing heat spreader. > This is a Sandy Bridge CPU. I normally don't recommend the Ivy Bridg= e > ones because they run hotter, so changing the clock multipliers isn't= as > fun as with Sandy Bridge. Yeah, according to the aforementioned Wikipedia article=C2=B9, they cha= nged the=20 heat spreader material inside. However, the 2550K you recommended has a= TDP of=20 almost 100W, whereas Ivy Bridge maxes at 77W. How much those figues are= to be=20 taken as real-world values is of course something else. A nice improvement of Ivy Bridge in my view is its integrated USB3 cont= roller,=20 which, according to some tests, is considerably better than the patched= -on=20 solutions of Sandy Bridge boards. And if you don=E2=80=99t want a dedic= ated graphics=20 card but still want some GPU power, that=E2=80=99s of course another pl= us for Ivy. Hm... perhaps one can use the best of both worlds and use a Sandy CPU o= nd an=20 Ivy board? The other way around would work with a BIOS upgrade. Footnoty stuff =C2=B9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture) =C2=B9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155 --=20 Gru=C3=9F | Greetings | Qapla' Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook s= ervice. =E2=80=9CMicrosoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating s= ystems.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 Linus Torvalds --nextPart1736183.NApLIP78G2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Am = Samstag, 21. Juli 2012, 15:33:05 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:

>= ; On 20/07/12 10:24, Philip Webb wrote:

>= ; > I plan to build a new machine in the next few months:

>= ; > it wb for regular desktop use, but performance is as important a= s price.

>= ;

>= ; > A quick look at what was available in April suggested

>= ; > an Intel Ivy Bridge i7 ( 22 nm ) ; Phoronix said it works with K= ernel 3.2

>= ; > + an Intel Z77 mobo (I usually buy ASUS) & that power/watt w= as excellent.

>= ; > [=E2=80=A6]

>= ; > I don't want to pay a premium price for a bleeding-edge device

>= ; > which wb available at a more normal price a few months later.

 

Tho= se two statements are a bit contradicting.

Gen= erally, I wouldn=E2=80=99t buy an i7. First, those high-end components = tend to be comparatively more expensive than their smaller siblings (re= garding bang for the buck). Okay, it=E2=80=99s a quad with HT instead o= f =E2=80=9Cjust a quad=E2=80=9D (oh my, the times we live in), but seco= ndly, if it=E2=80=99s *mostly* a desktop and occasionally performance-c= ritical, I think it is also a waste of power. More power means more hea= t means more fan noise.

 

>= ; > I wb buying it from the local store (Canada Computers), not on-l= ine.

>= ;

>= ; > Does anyone have thoughts or advice ?

 

A f= riend of mine built a new machine recently. I too am planning on doing = this once I got the bucks (hopefully) in a few months. So we picked com= ponents together, based on recommendations of an =E2=80=9Cefficient hom= e-brew PC=E2=80=9D article in computer magazine c=E2=80=99t.

We = know that Intel is more expensive, but also less power-hungry and known= to work excellent both with Linux and with other components. And my fr= iend believes that the Intel graphics drivers are still superior from a= FOSS standpoint (he had an ATI in his old system).

 

Usi= ng the comprehensive Wikipedia articles on Ivy Bridge=C2=B9 and LGA1155= =C2=B2, we decided for the biggest i5 (3570K, ~220=E2=82=AC), as it has= the bigger of the two HD Graphics chips (external Graphics were not on= the shoping list). This new baby built GCC in 12 minutes and a bit. Fi= rst he wanted an Intel board, but because those don=E2=80=99t have VGA = anymore, he went for Gigagybe. He was building a big tower ATX system, = and so chose the Z77 (around 100=E2=82=AC).

 

I, = however, am planning for something more modest, a cute mATX system with= medium power. Right now I=E2=80=99m planning on a B75 board. It has al= l *I* need and is considerably cheaper (70=E2=82=AC). I think I may als= o take the smaller i5 that comes with HD4000, the 3475S, which is aroun= d 25=E2=82=AC cheaper. But even then, it is still a beast when compared= to my Core 2 Duo laptop which has to run permanently throttled due to = its ageing heat spreader.

 

>= ; This is a Sandy Bridge CPU. I normally don't recommend the Ivy Bridg= e

>= ; ones because they run hotter, so changing the clock multipliers isn't= as

>= ; fun as with Sandy Bridge.

 

Yea= h, according to the aforementioned Wikipedia article=C2=B9, they change= d the heat spreader material inside. However, the 2550K you recommended= has a TDP of almost 100W, whereas Ivy Bridge maxes at 77W. How much th= ose figues are to be taken as real-world values is of course something = else.

 

A n= ice improvement of Ivy Bridge in my view is its integrated USB3 control= ler, which, according to some tests, is considerably better than the pa= tched-on solutions of Sandy Bridge boards. And if you don=E2=80=99t wan= t a dedicated graphics card but still want some GPU power, that=E2=80=99= s of course another plus for Ivy.

 

Hm.= .. perhaps one can use the best of both worlds and use a Sandy CPU ond = an Ivy board? The other way around would work with a BIOS upgrade.

 

 

 

Foo= tnoty stuff

=C2= =B9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)

=C2= =B9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155

 

-- =

Gru= =C3=9F | Greetings | Qapla'

Ple= ase do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook serv= ice.

 

=E2= =80=9CMicrosoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating syst= ems.=E2=80=9D

=E2= =80=93 Linus Torvalds

 

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