From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-136282-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1S7ZPu-0000a9-Vt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:38:03 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5B4FE0CED; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3EFE0C5F for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oxusltgw09.schlund.de (oxusltgw09.lxa.perfora.net [172.19.206.11]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lhgtt-1SkhYW1ElV-00mWge; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:35:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce Hill, Jr." <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <2037392466.632130.1331674505331.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> In-Reply-To: <CADPrc835hOK2i=yBTo6Lqh2aM3F8ZZoY8PALFjOVxbAGNFEZgg@mail.gmail.com> References: <20111115062115.GA3262@waltdnes.org> <20111121104724.GC7461@waltdnes.org> <20111201194544.GD4455@waltdnes.org> <20120217234045.GA25390@waltdnes.org> <20120311090912.GA23850@waltdnes.org> <20120312092432.GA2959@acm.acm> <20120313073306.GC23544@waltdnes.org> <20120313130534.GB3457@acm.acm> <20120313190052.GA2430@waltdnes.org> <20120313194727.GB2536@acm.acm> <CADPrc83mmaeybgdEb0phBrp=fBcF3EWkpZawp0Mo8wpvDje5NQ@mail.gmail.com> <1652548889.629847.1331672072496.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <CADPrc835hOK2i=yBTo6Lqh2aM3F8ZZoY8PALFjOVxbAGNFEZgg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-( Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v- X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:7IfecAyLWuRLhHCqrWe926MfVxjBGh3WjtNjqxHechp XXvOj4rpgKaWB3vsUiJCWYjjVyWV6QpIHmzcy1QjVvG9Pq+7Rq 0GPU96vIFTawbLmO8dbuAcvsrWY3wWnjTQvIEIDXOTr+peDXBx pmnYKOujvH81/+ntXzqEr2KucI3gj1dSzDqck5ilyrnmal0bjQ PadjZIUjX3cdd6IRT0c3rOeN9yA7y99NCHjNvXiMa4YVt2NdG6 z265YhyIszb3maLwHXcaDOsa81WkRVxuTxqLmSfgpOrvqN86jm gBJJe1BHyPb5mPTUflNYHB8ErrbfHBgYD23fDt5vuvh30RtJmQ l4tv5esB7ktJ+2DBC7Q6zVqIF5XNj11M/XcCSliktyoTsS1ktH gv5iGDQcm6WRmKPC/EVjKu+iMIjVRGDPkfzzqhi38YZl74lWSR xivtU X-Archives-Salt: 9d113862-7e59-42b8-9836-1fa44787fd10 X-Archives-Hash: 203ba0776f9de662e9237e14f7a9e00f On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM "Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s" <caneko@gmail.= com> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. > <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM "Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s" <caneko@gm= ail.com> > > wrote: > > <snip> > >> > >> "Fringe" programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but > >> the moment a "fringe" program reaches critical mass to become > >> "maistream", the probability of it needing udev (directly or > >> indirectly) will increase. > >> > >> I'm willing to bet a beer on that prediction. > >> > >> Regards. > >> -- > >> Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s > > > > > > > > It _sounds_ like your definition of a "fringe" program is one that does not > > need udev; but when it becomes "mainstream" it will need udev. If not, you > > write us the definition of a "fringe" program and a "mainstream" program. > > > > Excuse me, but that's just incredibly _arrogant_! > > Relax man. That's why "fringe" is written QUOTE fringe UNQUOTE, and > "mainstream" is written QUOTE mainstream UNQUOTE. If it makes you > happy, replace "fringe" with "GNOME/KDE/XFCE/lvm2-not-related" and > "mainstream" with "GNOME/KDE/XFCE/lvm2-related". That's using the very > same definition that Walter (the guy behind the mdev-instead-of-udev > effort) used just three mails below (or above, depending on your email > client). > > Please chill, no need to get all worked out. > > And I maintain my prediction. > > Regards. > -- > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s So, what qualifies for "the moment a "fringe" program reaches critical mass to become "maistream", the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase." Again, quoting _your_ definition. I gave you examples of programs which have reached critical mass, which don't require udev. And, I'm not attaching your character, for I know you not ... just attacking your FUD! -- Happy Penguin Computers >`) 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com