From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1813158089 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 07:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56EA72BC152; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 07:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (mail.digimed.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0101B2BC080 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 07:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (shooty.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.4]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E4A57174D23 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:39:36 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digimed.co.uk; s=digimed; t=1697614776; bh=zJxb5UAABpRvpGMyO63pCaCd9uluo28YvmtgCfNRh/A=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Ng0jxUzFql4NTPS3QuGc2+o8LneCadoy9m1w6C+WnIbDNtPtDnT7zIEJtEFQTwUWV O386JGMA6ufIV8Ceek80/Kf9uFhUIrekkyU7aufwQec/3CoSMUpywsCu+NP1WD7cZ/ ba4D1Q2tY3OBJBKrTxgtk+Di6T3LHizBYwyMYhRY= Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:39:36 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OFF TOPIC Need Ubuntu network help Message-ID: <20231018083936.61542c8f@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <17dbcf2a-13c7-b8c0-69f1-a09e5288cfd5@gmail.com> <1547976b-10a8-ba30-0559-348db4727011@gmail.com> <13371341.uLZWGnKmhe@rogueboard> <4b498c6d-7311-6645-ec34-009ea9c154b4@gmail.com> <02eb1de7-36e0-beaa-66f2-5eb6041b5451@gmail.com> <20231017082317.25633757@digimed.co.uk> <88840616-57fb-5862-e512-7dec7b32a00f@gmail.com> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.38; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/75CVewEE2xLA71Mbz2AqoYF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Archives-Salt: 830523ed-574d-4a4e-9953-124166075e57 X-Archives-Hash: 7b0362703657b0c66b23b060c9df92b0 --Sig_/75CVewEE2xLA71Mbz2AqoYF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 03:15:56 -0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > I have 4 Ubuntu-based machines here and over the last 6 years I've > > never seen a 1 minute delay to login, much less 5 minutes. =20 >=20 > I see it all the time. Two minutes is the most common delay that I run > into, but I've seen longer. The two-minute delay I frequently run into > has usually got something to do with networking. For example, if one > of the links is down, Ubuntu is really fond of waiting a couple > mintues for it to come up before it finishes booting. [If it doesn't > wait for all the network interfaces, how is it going to do all that > cloudy crap nobody really wants?] There are different ways of waiting for the network to come up in systemd, depending on your needs. Is lo enough, do you need an external network connection available, or do you need one up and working, do you have more than one network connection. It seems like Ubuntu is taking the safest-for-all approach of waiting for all network interfaces to be fully configured. > The really fun part is that since the methods used for configuring the > network on Ubuntu change with the seasons, 95% of the suggested fixes > you find are irrelevent even if they were on-target at one point. But change is good and new is better, no matter what it breaks, isn't it? ;= -) --=20 Neil Bothwick If you can't be kind, be vague. --Sig_/75CVewEE2xLA71Mbz2AqoYF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEGfLZTV7dXdQXh/dDdCdyyQfftocFAmUvi7gACgkQdCdyyQff tocFeRAAgLmYAJRr38VGpgJU1EXLa2XCmCNaII/duf6ZxoJ9eiB96cTdGc5+J0dm wmHDDvcgHF+8lqxT5lNmYSGFKVAkoiPGwC2cGm8aBh1wWbueSsyV6XHFGwuDpn2G Q/HgPcBvSLmT9v/dctgFUGJb3Op0mbueMEGDy8E5AHVYZ0yO1u8eLW0k7vl0nG43 vdrpR3teTCf8sTOaymokEx1dbL3kleBp2VPMSUU1+fvNOzLwfwrwzFG1b+j8cvab JzpUj+75Kn0p/Ct9MIDPBCO5d87nPh+3HuGP7xp2XfhY/2Y9j/xwHgFjxcxNVvtZ YHYZPfmnMjNKywkxP3mheLddq3JW+spSLnAHf6D2+P+WFZQX8W5Q9gB/fFJqKkv8 +DzGD7MuLknCWpeMSzSObJvIsPmvev4SB9XIjik8CX7faXqwMwgnt4G0r8gJeQZ2 dYwtqij3FWj5x5J60HzqefnOxKFvyb1kP4z0Nj3Hgv0oU9rvPaeqvtliR6Y22Me0 XK5uyti5zEa7A12OvW0N3aYSCb9YF75fRGuy6Lss3LoEiygvAzjS7bzMJW+Q/Mt0 Ge0rIvukIovRhwSw2m61en3Nr3WoieVBHDQ1w+9fptIMcKsRGP5okZJyrswKyCc+ 3yOp18oHkyfQypkmuf1GVM1yzmkv52vJtQoiBk8cz3/zhaPdgBc= =pZWv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/75CVewEE2xLA71Mbz2AqoYF--