From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QSxLX-0006F3-NR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 20:21:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7E1C1C19F; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991AD1C19F for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2412735fxm.40 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:19:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=Q4kCOGV4lA/vLMRKdcw9huuTYltWlMPI5TUdlzPLZ4M=; b=LZ+u4oHo0Z3Yf6XrulV+2AfyMCJsMCoEZHR2Eod16OusKj4pLAqA5WERCjZTgQlO3o tcfqV2VMuN4m6jSoDAcfiGSgXvwPEzO4iD4eWBLS0Svd9pIQxL1Qnb7Lat0OAv+zLHBe 9AiGsw0kB39+IBKrh75E+iYko+3hCCiD535yc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; b=sht67ftrGkm54vVpHaV1hb/B8VcGltYF290ruGeVf0NYlg6/5cahY2FEYAbMmbmKUE gr3cKqMGSSEP4/yo4ci8E8jVJavd4dLMQZJ/GproDr7FlknZRzDHZJx6xqxvNCRgpFBT +ba3n1OGBtuMIFvF934a6PWIPhADVXE5SE+PY= Received: by 10.223.69.65 with SMTP id y1mr1277698fai.60.1307218795768; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localnet (p4FC75222.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.199.82.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q14sm856973faa.3.2011.06.04.13.19.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:19:51 +0200 Message-ID: <2022231.0EYSfHmYHu@localhost> User-Agent: KMail/4.6 rc1 (Linux/2.6.39.1; KDE/4.6.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20110604194649.GA4034@gaurahari.merseine.nu> References: <61A321C6-5D7C-49CE-B87B-3E4180958D22@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <2630798.FqQb8rvnce@localhost> <20110604194649.GA4034@gaurahari.merseine.nu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: e0ca711db20567bc1e599f80b906b43c On Saturday 04 June 2011 15:46:49 Indi wrote: > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:38:52PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Saturday 04 June 2011 11:59:52 kashani wrote: > > > On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > >> Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June > > > >> 2011, Indi > > > >> did opine > > > >> > > > >> thusly: > > > >>> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: > > > >>>> I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort > > > >>>> of like > > > >>>> top > > > >>>> posting. Some people have to top post because the device > > > >>>> they are > > > >>>> using won't let them reply any other way. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I just wonder if there is some setting that could be > > > >>>> changed > > > >>>> somewhere > > > >>>> to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you > > > >>>> were using. > > > >>> > > > >>> As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference > > > >>> between > > > >>> usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It > > > >>> actually > > > >>> shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked > > > >>> around a > > > >>> couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the > > > >>> email like > > > >>> "normal folks" and be done fooling with it. :) > > > >> > > > >> FWIW, > > > >> > > > >> If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail > > > >> there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it > > > >> is considerably less. > > > >> > > > >> Setting kmail to display threads based on "activity" - > > > >> whatever the > > > >> blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to > > > >> narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm > > > >> is. > > > >> > > > >> Looks like there's more to this than just usernet<->mail > > > >> gateway > > > >> brokenness > > > > > > > > I'd switch if *mutt* was breaking threading for other people, > > > > but I'm > > > > pretty sure it isn't. Now kmail and the other > > > > pointy-clicky-html-loving apps, *those* I don't trust... Tried > > > > 'em, found 'em wanting. ;) > > > > > > > > It would be good to hear from more people running different > > > > MUAs, > > > > but IMO mutt is the Gold Standard and is almost certaily doing > > > > what it's supposed to do. > > > > > > Whatever you're using is breaking threading in Thunderbird and I > > > can't > > > think of anyone else lately I've had the problem with. Also mutt has > > > broken threading in the past and even between different versions of > > > itself... so calling it a gold standard may be an overstatement. > > > > it is golden brown, runny and smelly. Some call it 'gold'. > > I hate the way you beat around the bush. Just tell us how you *really* > feel, dammit! > > ;) I have a slightly adverse general opinion about the mail client called 'mutt'. I am not saying that this is the fault of its devs nor do I suggesst that there is anything wrong with its users. Pine is slightly less gruesome.. Old kmail rocked. It even did well with threads where the thread id was mangled - threading by subject was an option. Haven't looked into the options with the kmail beta I am using at the moment. I am glad that it is more or less stable. -- #163933