From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC1A2158011 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 15:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE7A7E09C6; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 15:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgate2.uni-hannover.de (mailgate2.uni-hannover.de [130.75.2.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09F4DE098F for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 15:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from intranet.aei.uni-hannover.de (ahin1.aei.uni-hannover.de [130.75.117.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate2.uni-hannover.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A3AE3849; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 17:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from comet2.terra.ger ([130.75.117.49]) by intranet.aei.uni-hannover.de (IBM Domino Release 9.0.1FP8) with ESMTP id 2021092017400302-176830 ; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 17:40:03 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 17:40:01 +0200 From: Gerrit Kuehn To: Michael Cc: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] python, my nemesis Message-ID: <20210920174001.323e64dc@comet2.terra.ger> In-Reply-To: <2945625.CbtlEUcBR6@lenovo.localdomain> References: <20210920145049.1ad40d93@comet2.terra.ger> <2044997.OBFZWjSADL@lenovo.localdomain> <20210920165203.5aeb17c1@comet2.terra.ger> <2945625.CbtlEUcBR6@lenovo.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on intranet/aei-hannover(Release 9.0.1FP8|February 23, 2017) at 20/09/2021 17:40:03, Serialize by Router on intranet/aei-hannover(Release 9.0.1FP8|February 23, 2017) at 20/09/2021 17:40:03, Serialize complete at 20/09/2021 17:40:03 X-TNEFEvaluated: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at mailgate2 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archives-Salt: 03839c3c-653e-404b-b849-043656f3a550 X-Archives-Hash: ae6408efd23b84ea2ac8ce71cc8b6e3f On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 16:20:58 +0100 Michael wrote: > > Well, yeah, your mileage may vary. > Quite, if you can get your existing installation to only run a > minimal number of rebuilds to arrive at an upgraded toolchain, then > the benefit of reinstalling wouldn't be there. This could have been > the case on an average year, when python deprecations didn't > accelerate and EAPI didn't change. If however you end up tying up > yourself in knots with subsequent python upgrades and difficult to > resolve conflicts, then the pain Vs gain calculus changes. I was already wondering why so many things happened during the (comparatively) short time I didn't watch. Looks like people have been in lockdown with plenty of time to come around with new things. Fortunately, the base installation I have to update doesn't contain many applications (e.g., no X involved). Everything sits on an NFS server with ZFS below it, so it is quite easy to do snaphots and go back and forth between them, and we have plenty to CPU power to rebuild things. OTOH, the orchestration to have the setup re-done in a fully automated way is still under development, so I definitely wanted to try updating before really starting over. cu Gerrit