On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:02:44 +0100, n952162 wrote: > My problem is I can't find a diagnostic methodology.  The one I most > often hear is, update more often, or trail and error solutions. Neither of which is a diagnostic methodology. > Does all that information in emerge's output point the way to the > problem, and I just have to learn to understand it, Yes. The output is there for a reason, work though it carefully. Most importantly, try to fix one problem at a time. The number f new threads you have started with different problems show how not doing that can lead to even more confusion. -- Neil Bothwick If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed.