From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9A8B1382C5 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B910E092B; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from forward101o.mail.yandex.net (forward101o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::601]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E910E091D for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxback22j.mail.yandex.net (mxback22j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::222]) by forward101o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 9FEF63C0221C for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:33 +0300 (MSK) Received: from myt5-1ebfaac9e69d.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt5-1ebfaac9e69d.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c12:3b2d:0:640:1ebf:aac9]) by mxback22j.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id vYHClL17iU-iWmOK40v; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:32 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1589273072; bh=1mh1Lz8WBTP33zS7lskmXz5RwQROhgrrTcON9PtRMk4=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:References:Date:Message-ID; b=k1BxWsWXP0nMeVslYcHR8ZklqEkpyxbYKm7jzwpnU5H6p1vY6J4f+/VgwXQ2i0Crn feGIfu0CnwF8/KJUo0jaw4TGJwmLzPdF4lSt9lpYGiWWNNqSBqo2iri8g+34CZF+rJ NOlUDeIH1k8gLrsrsGzquPBpTf+4Ahh/GBWyo2wk= Authentication-Results: mxback22j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by myt5-1ebfaac9e69d.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id llLCa00gn6-iW2ihRn2; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:32 +0300 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:45:51 +0300 From: lego12239@yandex.ru To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Update Gentoo recently is becoming difficult Message-ID: <20200512084551.GA25739@legohost> References: <20200512083049.bxaawlnxpeps7rtr@ad-gentoo-main> <20200512083551.GA2356744@ftml.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200512083551.GA2356744@ftml.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Archives-Salt: a2ec0ce4-45a5-4f50-bfa1-f68df776798b X-Archives-Hash: 8ea34d2964f145b0b186eec1bfc1676c On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:35:51AM +0300, Consus wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:30:49AM +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote: > > systemd, and Lennart Poettering (the anti-Christ of open-source) in general, > > have a history of placing "hard" dependencies on stupid things, sometimes to > > push people towards a particular workflow or set of packages [1]. This is one of > > the (many) reasons that people generally prefer to keep a safe distance from > > systemd. > > What "safe distance" are you talking about? The only non-systemd distros > with non-marginal userbase are Alpine, Gentoo and Void. And, of course, funtoo ;-). -- Олег Неманов (Oleg Nemanov)