From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D898138350 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AFA6E0AB1; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from forward103o.mail.yandex.net (forward103o.mail.yandex.net [37.140.190.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B840DE09F7 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxback1o.mail.yandex.net (mxback1o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::1b]) by forward103o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id A4B175F817F5 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:33:12 +0300 (MSK) Received: from sas8-b61c542d7279.qloud-c.yandex.net (sas8-b61c542d7279.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c1b:2912:0:640:b61c:542d]) by mxback1o.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id 1hbUZiMYY5-XCj0cdbE; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:33:12 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1587637992; bh=s4/gTfYwItA1Sdva5Hzj/cuhAjVa309hjXfmHVDoXfY=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:References:Date:Message-ID; b=CinH+d3eE+E1UrgbMLmTWnURSXuvnw4X2xkkQslmAxZI+Ujv7WyKVNdPNRW+t2yu1 VF+P+x1jwRYDg+booIKmJEGZJqCySGdZzbV3nsIEiS3+UkHwOrNZRyE+PV5FuvMmoG EXtD6ku4m21J5zdH+stoqKiRXmblJlFVmHEcXEX0= Authentication-Results: mxback1o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by sas8-b61c542d7279.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id XXZBNdnFLg-XBYK4Rwr; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:33:11 +0300 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:34:20 +0300 From: lego12239@yandex.ru To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Message-ID: <20200423103420.GA24157@legohost> References: <20200422180825.GA12885@legohost> <82271c88-bd0f-aa50-8155-e7028305e0ef@gentoo.org> <20200423085252.GE16612@legohost> <170d8de8-b773-6c3d-52af-12aabacde269@gmail.com> <20200423092608.GB18636@legohost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Archives-Salt: d5ed2770-a986-419f-858f-ad043b44d2ce X-Archives-Hash: 3bfcc6f9861bfa0b72504950b804107e On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 04:44:10AM -0500, Dale wrote: > You ever think that developers may have to do things us users don't?  Oh... Dale, that was a joke ;-). > All we do is use portage/emerge to update our systems.  They have to > write or update ebuilds, test them, push them to the tree and then test > them some more.  They also have to try to make sure the code it creates > works.  All of that takes a lot of time and effort.  Things we don't see.  You tell obvious things. I talk not about that. Forget it. > If you do a emerge -ea world, you will see changes that emerge -uaDN > world won't because it considers every package on the system.  When you > do emerge -uaDN world, it only looks for changes/updates to the world > file and what they depend on but only to a point.  There is a huge > difference.  > > Run them both and observe the difference.  For a dev, that difference > can reveal something important.  I understand that. But in the context of our conversation(static vs dynamic linking), if i understand correctly portage, "emerge -e @world" rebuild all static-linked packages and all dynamic-linked packages. It simply rebuild *all* packages in any case, right? So, there is no difference between calling "emerge -e @world" against dynamic-linked packages or static-linked packages. Thus, i can't understand why we talk about "emerge -e" at all. May be i understand something wrong. -- Олег Неманов (Oleg Nemanov)