From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C38F138350 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3C25E0AA5; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63DEEE0A96 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E0B5C00B7 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ftml.net; h=date :from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=fm3; bh=X7Su+cFCZr0sZb1yrrboVoUOB9C9Ga4Gj9tz7pZt XoM=; b=Py2VzZKQLhd+V0UW9BKzXVOj/BYLt3cRnbLG2XHi3w9YRdO8JMAIHxs6 I4Fxo4KtgrPHOl8EKWsUs+1gjH+I3JeZwvpfSFnQeO1Xr4At+7bZC5xtE1chqT1N MS8UV9ZOwL1x/73W1ngpE1TQcxzzfZ9h39YBvjCHchIpAk64Uyrxs7Mtg+mIx6hK ZnUggSe4vOjgzqrDexgZxvOm3bzdQVR36DczMZgCthoi8+A4mBQEprIKd5DNUbEO qGvyGGoN82KnMWiimIMxcbImqWtm/v7qczJmUC2brB60prhSRt+AD2tXERoDd0Dg YJ6nZ/fltvA7ENINlRLiSxUSJNsLrQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=X7Su+c FCZr0sZb1yrrboVoUOB9C9Ga4Gj9tz7pZtXoM=; b=LKPUvoL/yb0ZfhLnWF9d8y XmVGe/ObZN4XatH0OgMtHJd1Om/PFrBUbkmR7e+m1h2pTRHOXaDKxmnzHJjUUrc5 VXYy322kTZycISX50k+O12j0cZpPprOppZlI7YhNhE1spKqIdBCula/lwNpmf8bZ VAvUzf3sJBFlaVz7L35yHST31QneJdzW1tH8wu1OaiXbs8rWgzfx8JKcPAtRRYZV /S3CLE8XX55K/uvUuAnqDOhex0Smi/64tbffeuUpyKvn/SsSNgrKgnHTWArwG/Zf IiL0fHT/6QQDDte8VMyvZVg2rgVXVXpkbSc719KHtvjNvhRSjqdWv8DkOS81pe7w == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrgeehgdduvdehucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesthdtre dttddtvdenucfhrhhomhepvehonhhsuhhsuceotghonhhsuhhssehfthhmlhdrnhgvtheq necukfhppeehrddukedrvdefiedrudehvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurf grrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegtohhnshhushesfhhtmhhlrdhnvght X-ME-Proxy: Received: from redacted (unknown [5.18.236.152]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E485D3063129 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:33:17 +0300 From: Consus To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Message-ID: <20200421183317.GC187193@redacted> References: <20200421165803.GB187193@redacted> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Archives-Salt: 59a76d92-1565-4640-b5ec-31c72037d7c9 X-Archives-Hash: 4216a61db202c250a70cbd46dc1af690 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 02:10:54PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 12:58 PM Consus wrote: > > > > even distribution kernel is not an > > official thing, but a desperate attempt of someone to fix things. > > > > Huh? gentoo-sources is in at least as good a shape as I've ever seen > it. I'd argue it is in better shape than at a lot of times in the > past. Still you have to manually configure things. And I know that Gentoo is about choice, but configuring kernel is hard. > There are other kernels in the repo, as there have been for as long as > I can remember. They vary in purpose and level of QA. And of course > you can just download your own sources considering the official > handbook instructions has you build your own kernel anyway... I > personally just run upstream longterm so that I have more control over > things, because I run ZFS. However I wouldn't say that this is any > problem with the Gentoo kernels - I just have unusual needs and a > package for the source tarball doesn't really add much value anyway. > A package that actually builds/installs a working kernel seems like a > lot more value-add aside from the QA. That's why I love gentoo-kernel-bin. It provides a decent kernel without any "oh crap oh crap oh crap what should I do with all these new options". P.S. genkernel seems to be actively maintained again, neat.