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From: Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:28:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171215092800.41a1eaeb@digimed.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1520279.pxRNRXlmF5@eve>

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:38:01 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> > If you "rc-update del" a service, you wouldn't
> > prevent it from being started neither, just because OpenRC is still
> > able to pull it in as a dependency.  
> 
> True, except with OpenRC, all the config is located together. Not
> mostly in / usr/.... somewhere with overrides in /etc/...
> I dislike all tools that split their config in this way.

Conversely, I prefer it. The package defaults should be set in /usr, /etc
is for customisation. xorg works the same way with settings
in /etc/overriding those it /usr. It saves cluttering up /etc with tons
of default settings.

However, with both openrc and systemd you don't need to trawl the
filesystems to find the settings, using the provided tools, rc-update and
systemctl in this case, is both preferred and simpler.

One of the benefits, IMO, of systemd, is that it brings a consistency to
operations. In many cases the systemd tools do the same as their
non-systemd equivalents, but they follow a consistent style guide. Of
course, this means that they may work differently to the way you are used
to and there is definitely a learning curve in switching to systemd. I
also didn't discover mask/unmask for a while, only finding it when I was
looking for something else in a man page. Running a mixture of systemd and
openrc boxes, I more often find myself doing thing wrong on the openrc
boxes these days and missing systemd features.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-15  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-09  9:51 [gentoo-user] Is gnome becoming obligatory? Mick
2017-12-09 10:25 ` Alexander Kapshuk
2017-12-09 10:27 ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-09 10:34 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2017-12-09 10:45   ` Mick
2017-12-09 12:00     ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-09 23:36       ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-10  6:12         ` R0b0t1
2017-12-10  8:54           ` Mick
2017-12-10  8:56           ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-10 11:55             ` Mart Raudsepp
2017-12-10 12:03               ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-10 12:11       ` karl
2017-12-10 21:01       ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-10 21:55         ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-11  3:31           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2017-12-11  4:37             ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-11  5:06               ` Mike Gilbert
2017-12-11  5:31             ` R0b0t1
2017-12-11 11:42               ` Corbin
2017-12-11 11:59             ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-11 12:39               ` Mick
2017-12-11 13:22                 ` mad.scientist.at.large
2017-12-11 13:30                   ` Richard Bradfield
2017-12-11 13:48                     ` mad.scientist.at.large
     [not found]                     ` <<1512999026.3692893.1201071808.34DC69C6@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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2017-12-11 14:04                         ` mad.scientist.at.large
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2017-12-11 14:45                               ` mad.scientist.at.large
2017-12-11 13:27                 ` Kai Peter
2017-12-12 23:23               ` allan gottlieb
2017-12-13  8:06                 ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-13 11:04                   ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 11:46                     ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-13 14:05                       ` Dale
2017-12-14  7:54                   ` J. Roeleveld
2017-12-15  3:05                     ` Kai Krakow
2017-12-15  6:38                       ` J. Roeleveld
2017-12-15  8:47                         ` Kai Krakow
2017-12-15  9:28                         ` Neil Bothwick [this message]
2017-12-14 16:03                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-15  0:35                     ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-15  1:12                       ` R0b0t1
2017-12-15  1:25                         ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-15  7:36                           ` J. Roeleveld
2017-12-09 12:04     ` Taiidan
2017-12-09 12:08       ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-10  9:55         ` Wols Lists
2017-12-10 10:13           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-10 21:02             ` Wols Lists
2017-12-10 23:08               ` Walter Dnes
2017-12-11 15:22                 ` Tom H
2017-12-11 19:20                 ` Wol's lists
2017-12-11 23:24                   ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-12 10:34                     ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13  1:11                       ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-13 10:57                         ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 17:52                       ` Walter Dnes
2017-12-14  6:26                         ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-12  3:51                   ` mad.scientist.at.large
2017-12-11 18:56             ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-11 21:03               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-11 22:00                 ` Tom H
2017-12-11 22:29                 ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-12 12:09                   ` Tom H
2017-12-12 12:11                   ` Wols Lists
2017-12-12 12:23                     ` Arve Barsnes
2017-12-12  7:01                 ` J García
2017-12-12 10:32                   ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-12 18:55                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-12 20:11                     ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-12 20:11                     ` Wols Lists
2017-12-13  0:02                       ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 14:01                         ` Wols Lists
2017-12-13 14:06                           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2017-12-13 15:17                           ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 22:18                             ` Wols Lists
2017-12-13 11:34             ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-13 12:46               ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 19:37               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-14  7:38                 ` Kai Peter
2017-12-14 10:57                 ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-14 15:52                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-15  1:16                     ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-15  9:50                       ` Wols Lists
2017-12-10 10:17           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2017-12-10 10:25           ` Jorge Almeida

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