From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81A36139083 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EB5CE0F5D; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pmta21.teksavvy.com (pmta21.teksavvy.com [76.10.157.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F724E0F3D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:52:35 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2EeEABCaDFa/6Wi+M5dHAEBAQQBAQoBA?= =?us-ascii?q?YM+gVoniRCGB44RAYF8NAGYcYU/BAIChRJEFAEBAQEBAQEBAQNoKEIQAYRSAQQ?= =?us-ascii?q?BOhwoCwshExIPBSU3iiAIqxWKXQExg2CCX4ECgWmDK4MvgjqCeoIyBYo/h1WBF?= =?us-ascii?q?I93AoI7kl2CI4lsGodMikWMEYFLNiOBTnwIOgeBajiEcyM3giyIDgEBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2EeEABCaDFa/6Wi+M5dHAEBAQQBAQoBAYM+gVoniRCGB44?= =?us-ascii?q?RAYF8NAGYcYU/BAIChRJEFAEBAQEBAQEBAQNoKEIQAYRSAQQBOhwoCwshExIPB?= =?us-ascii?q?SU3iiAIqxWKXQExg2CCX4ECgWmDK4MvgjqCeoIyBYo/h1WBFI93AoI7kl2CI4l?= =?us-ascii?q?sGodMikWMEYFLNiOBTnwIOgeBajiEcyM3giyIDgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.45,397,1508817600"; d="scan'208";a="13746729" Received: from 206-248-162-165.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([206.248.162.165]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2017 12:52:33 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:52:25 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:52:25 -0500 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Message-ID: <20171213175225.GA18879@waltdnes.org> References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <20171210230802.GA26035@waltdnes.org> <88b882e0-8d57-3b8f-2c08-9d0b9c1c68c5@youngman.org.uk> <2476103.saCjEblRYk@peak> <20171212103427.3d8b0b64@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171212103427.3d8b0b64@digimed.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-Archives-Salt: e57b4bf6-5ec9-46f3-9ccd-c13ffb8764c2 X-Archives-Hash: ace304cc67604245f141f73d4c875a6d On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:34:27AM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote > I have three gnome packages installed on this KDE box. One is the > tiny package that started this thread, and is GNOME only in name, > the other two are dependencies of XFCE, which I also have installed. > > I see no GNOME takeover, beyond the fact that many distros are > choosing GNOME as their default desktop. My big hate is the ever-growing dependancy list of gtk. Yes I know that it's *NOT* supposed to mean "Gnome Tool Kit", but it seems to be just that. I run ICEWM window manager, but also use gnumeric and abiword which require gtk+. Over the past few years I've seen various new hard-coded dependancies crop up when doing... emerge -pv --changed-use --deep --update @world adwaita-icon-theme, gtk-engines-adwaita, atk, dbus, harfbuzz, introspection, libepoxy, etc, etc, etc. How long before pulseaudio and systemd show up as hard-coded dependancies? I'm old enough to remember a time when people switched to linux because it ran fast on older machines that couldn't run the latest Windows. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications