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From: Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:46:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171213124656.5f09717e@digimed.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1631660.tsUNQvXBgp@thetick>

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:34:03 +0100, Marc Joliet wrote:

> > I've no idea how good systemd is.  It's not been through the normal
> > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have.

What process was that? The one where distro maintainers decide what to
include in *their* distros? Isn't that how all packages, including
systemd, make it into a distro. Debian even had a public debate and vote
on it. You seem to be implying that systemd got into those distros by
some stealth process, maybe a trojan or even osmosis?

> > It was forced on people.

Nothing has been forced on anyone because no one is forced to accept the
distro maintainers chosen defaults.

> > But being forced to have a binary system
> > log, being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server
> > running, ...., doesn't make it an attractive package for me.  
> 
> *All* of this is "so I have heard".  What happened to researching stuff
> as the better alternative to speaking out of your ass?

The systemd debate is different in that instead of fanboys that ignore
the facts, the loudest arguers are a hate club that make up their own
"facts".

I'm amazed that all those developers at Debian, Red Hat, Arch and other
distros ignored all these facts when they are normally so technically
astute. Still, what to experienced developers know when compared to
mailing list and forum posters...


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-13 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-09  9:51 [gentoo-user] Is gnome becoming obligatory? Mick
2017-12-09 10:25 ` Alexander Kapshuk
2017-12-09 10:27 ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-09 10:34 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2017-12-09 10:45   ` Mick
2017-12-09 12:00     ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-09 23:36       ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-10  6:12         ` R0b0t1
2017-12-10  8:54           ` Mick
2017-12-10  8:56           ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-10 11:55             ` Mart Raudsepp
2017-12-10 12:03               ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-10 12:11       ` karl
2017-12-10 21:01       ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-10 21:55         ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-11  3:31           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2017-12-11  4:37             ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-11  5:06               ` Mike Gilbert
2017-12-11  5:31             ` R0b0t1
2017-12-11 11:42               ` Corbin
2017-12-11 11:59             ` Jorge Almeida
2017-12-11 12:39               ` Mick
2017-12-11 13:22                 ` mad.scientist.at.large
2017-12-11 13:30                   ` Richard Bradfield
2017-12-11 13:48                     ` mad.scientist.at.large
     [not found]                     ` <<1512999026.3692893.1201071808.34DC69C6@webmail.messagingengine.com>
     [not found]                       ` <L04pIDW--B-0@tutanota.com-L04pQDl----0>
2017-12-11 14:04                         ` mad.scientist.at.large
     [not found]                         ` <<L04pIDW--B-0@tutanota.com-L04pQDl----0>
     [not found]                           ` <L04svRt--3-0@tutanota.com-L04t2Dq ----0>
     [not found]                             ` <L04svRt--3-0@tutanota.com-L04t2Dq----0>
2017-12-11 14:45                               ` mad.scientist.at.large
2017-12-11 13:27                 ` Kai Peter
2017-12-12 23:23               ` allan gottlieb
2017-12-13  8:06                 ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-13 11:04                   ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 11:46                     ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-13 14:05                       ` Dale
2017-12-14  7:54                   ` J. Roeleveld
2017-12-15  3:05                     ` Kai Krakow
2017-12-15  6:38                       ` J. Roeleveld
2017-12-15  8:47                         ` Kai Krakow
2017-12-15  9:28                         ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-14 16:03                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-15  0:35                     ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-15  1:12                       ` R0b0t1
2017-12-15  1:25                         ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-15  7:36                           ` J. Roeleveld
2017-12-09 12:04     ` Taiidan
2017-12-09 12:08       ` Alan McKinnon
2017-12-10  9:55         ` Wols Lists
2017-12-10 10:13           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-10 21:02             ` Wols Lists
2017-12-10 23:08               ` Walter Dnes
2017-12-11 15:22                 ` Tom H
2017-12-11 19:20                 ` Wol's lists
2017-12-11 23:24                   ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-12 10:34                     ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13  1:11                       ` Peter Humphrey
2017-12-13 10:57                         ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 17:52                       ` Walter Dnes
2017-12-14  6:26                         ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-12  3:51                   ` mad.scientist.at.large
2017-12-11 18:56             ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-11 21:03               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-11 22:00                 ` Tom H
2017-12-11 22:29                 ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-12 12:09                   ` Tom H
2017-12-12 12:11                   ` Wols Lists
2017-12-12 12:23                     ` Arve Barsnes
2017-12-12  7:01                 ` J García
2017-12-12 10:32                   ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-12 18:55                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-12 20:11                     ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-12 20:11                     ` Wols Lists
2017-12-13  0:02                       ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 14:01                         ` Wols Lists
2017-12-13 14:06                           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2017-12-13 15:17                           ` Neil Bothwick
2017-12-13 22:18                             ` Wols Lists
2017-12-13 11:34             ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-13 12:46               ` Neil Bothwick [this message]
2017-12-13 19:37               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-14  7:38                 ` Kai Peter
2017-12-14 10:57                 ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-14 15:52                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-12-15  1:16                     ` Marc Joliet
2017-12-15  9:50                       ` Wols Lists
2017-12-10 10:17           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2017-12-10 10:25           ` Jorge Almeida

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