From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A011139083 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08716E0F4E; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost03d.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03d.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85581E0F3A for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [81.108.251.46] (helo=mail.digimed.co.uk) by smarthost03d.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1eOqu9-0004qQ-AQ for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:11:53 +0000 Received: from digimed.co.uk (fenchurch.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.6]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CD7A964D25 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:11:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:11:47 +0000 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Message-ID: <20171212201147.0985f236@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20171212185515.GA5274@ACM> References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <2343494.DDJaQvByiF@dell_xps> <6cb25230-9803-2bd4-ee69-66504d0d1822@gmx.com> <5A2D04A1.6090101@youngman.org.uk> <20171210101330.GA5671@ACM> <20171211185602.7a1853c9@digimed.co.uk> <20171211210321.GA12473@ACM> <20171212185515.GA5274@ACM> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/5ye4oGPlfww/+2iAa+98FwH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-smarthost03d-IP: [81.108.251.46] Feedback-ID: 81.108.251.46 X-Archives-Salt: 0106d856-a55e-4b6b-8f4e-29ccb6c74c81 X-Archives-Hash: 42840c1e0c4b4cbe4aec1239f43711e3 --Sig_/5ye4oGPlfww/+2iAa+98FwH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:55:15 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > You seem to know systemd reasonably well - maybe you've got it > installed and you're using it. Please tell me whether my suspicion > above (that systemd builds stuff into the system that is likely to be > superfluous to a user, and possibly forces its use on its users) is well > founded. Of course it does, any collection of utilities is bound to include stuff you don't need. This includes systemd as well as the likes of coreutils and util-linux. The number of programs that you are forced to use after installation is exactly zero, although most people that install systemd do so because they want to use at least part of it, and are happy using the parts they want. For example, I'm happy with systemd's network management and time sync tools so I use them. I find systemd timers unnecessarily complex for my needs so I stick with cron for that. --=20 Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 38: Government organization --Sig_/5ye4oGPlfww/+2iAa+98FwH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE8k9T/rX16EJxEKG692eFu0QSMJgFAlowOAMACgkQ92eFu0QS MJjSAA//Yy6sPEQ0KE2ZxWBTsViTOG6vXIAT4S1i72GgNJyYmqzrUQytZUacqh5G nExK5ziU8jNws8B595qii7eAVLUXw7XsLc2s60ylgVbPfAfKeNbO1sEeWyIMKLCM cmfjgoYlVVg+tTQeFtXRqKu8RhG0CBWX3KLvTDc7FvT8swZKJLDO9ik72jInKrTJ zuzqdwH+JbzcWbb+34bHAjiNTzg3axzIOyp0GOlVDf06+UMxtWPj+5flNjq7yKaQ QXPm1qTp2Os8ieTF5L/iuOZY+Q900KJNXxRqPOq4OiKh7paWErVEFj1cFHIC/vW4 d4/s/H1n1Kb/b1gvO8m8jWSF71bOVIXEsL54Ckb3dSxdd0aBqsss2R4mfo0D6C5l ZIOfh1r2qN+TBsObcsZ3FlTc49G/2joNwW1afPRFfjeE5b+0Pf8S4HfeL671iecB gceKLvaZj7p2D0arN9cq/p1Svq2ErgyW9o5Azj8787khcAvifXrewUGQ2q80hEN/ aArsnwVkiqGijcEXfU6NIZyGyWRaOTDTmUhSftCAAADKFEQNyJU4HBLzmNq37rsJ MhzJDeoocAexrwpxx7WUQRFKudp7V3eGWLdeGAPbtmW8u+s+cqtQ4q6nlY99l+C1 3/rnS4bgsivo5MjS0tBhyg/pTg/YTwml7TC5/2HH7Jy6OsF2Bvg= =H7N2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/5ye4oGPlfww/+2iAa+98FwH--