From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FE75139083 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74E51E10A0; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.149.48.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC3B1E0F68 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30540 invoked by uid 3782); 11 Dec 2017 21:10:48 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C6C32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.108.50]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:10:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 15984 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Dec 2017 21:03:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:21 +0000 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Message-ID: <20171211210321.GA12473@ACM> References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <2343494.DDJaQvByiF@dell_xps> <6cb25230-9803-2bd4-ee69-66504d0d1822@gmx.com> <5A2D04A1.6090101@youngman.org.uk> <20171210101330.GA5671@ACM> <20171211185602.7a1853c9@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171211185602.7a1853c9@digimed.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-Archives-Salt: ad0b47dc-87fb-4a25-9574-7162a16ac3e1 X-Archives-Hash: 19fe7f18883853c217c0ae82327630d3 Hello, Neil. On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 18:56:15 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:13:30 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It > > was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log, > > being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ...., > This may come as a surprise to some, but some things you hear on > t'internet are not true... :-) > For example, the http server is there to allow access to logs from > another machine without needing to grant SSH access. It is not enabled by > default. OK. But it's still there taking up RAM, and (more importantly) makes a systemd system a broader target for attacks. Whether a system has an http server (or, for that matter, an SSH server), for whatever purpose, should be for the system administrator to decide. I suspect this isn't the case for systemd's http server. In any case, I don't want an http server on my system: I have no http to serve. I installed sshd as one of the first things on my new system, to facilitate the transfer of files to it (and, probably, reading logs from it remotely). I don't want a binary logging daemon either: that means having to learn a special purpose utility to be able to read its logs, and, in general, not being able to read that log from a remote machine. There are likely other inflexibilities about systemd that I don't want either. That's one reason why I'm sticking with openrc. The politics of it is another. > -- > Neil Bothwick -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).