From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C0F9139083 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5159EE0F96; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pmta21.teksavvy.com (pmta21.teksavvy.com [76.10.157.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0897BE0F7B for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:08:18 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2HcBgAcvi1a/6Wi+M5bGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYM+ZnQniRCGB44IAYF8NAGYbIU/BAIChF5EFAEBAQEBAQEBAQN?= =?us-ascii?q?oKIUkAQU6HDMLGAkTEg8FJTeKKKlBimMBAQgCJoNogl+BAoUUhQlignqCMgWKO?= =?us-ascii?q?4hoj24CgjuSV4wNGodJlk6BSzYjM4EcfAhBgWo4hHMjN4llAQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2HcBgAcvi1a/6Wi+M5bGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQcBAQEBAYM?= =?us-ascii?q?+ZnQniRCGB44IAYF8NAGYbIU/BAIChF5EFAEBAQEBAQEBAQNoKIUkAQU6HDMLG?= =?us-ascii?q?AkTEg8FJTeKKKlBimMBAQgCJoNogl+BAoUUhQlignqCMgWKO4hoj24CgjuSV4w?= =?us-ascii?q?NGodJlk6BSzYjM4EcfAhBgWo4hHMjN4llAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.45,390,1508817600"; d="scan'208";a="13113337" Received: from 206-248-162-165.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([206.248.162.165]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2017 18:08:07 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:08:02 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:08:02 -0500 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Message-ID: <20171210230802.GA26035@waltdnes.org> References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <2343494.DDJaQvByiF@dell_xps> <6cb25230-9803-2bd4-ee69-66504d0d1822@gmx.com> <5A2D04A1.6090101@youngman.org.uk> <20171210101330.GA5671@ACM> <5A2DA0E0.8080303@youngman.org.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5A2DA0E0.8080303@youngman.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-Archives-Salt: bfd825fa-452a-43d8-90e4-414ad803b727 X-Archives-Hash: b583f6af2fa6f2625648bd1fb25d93f5 On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:02:24PM +0000, Wols Lists wrote > On 10/12/17 10:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. > > It was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log, > > being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ...., > > doesn't make it an attractive package for me. > > Oddly enough, although the details are different, that passage I've > quoted pretty accurately describes how I feel about Gnome ... :-) I can't find it right now on Google, but I vaguely remember that Lennart asked the Gnome people to make systemd a hard dependancy. Not much later logind, which is required by Gnome, picks up systemd as a hard dependancy. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications