[gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Michael Palimaka]

Hi all,

I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.

I'm interested in both good and bad experiences, with users, developers,
and operators. Basically, anything that anyone would care to share would
be much appreciated.

Feel free to contact me off-list if you'd rather not reply here (if so,
please let me know if you'd like your response kept totally private -
otherwise there is a chance that I might anonymise and share it).

Kind regards,

Michael

Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Taiidan]

On 11/19/2017 07:56 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.
Thanks!
> I'm interested in both good and bad experiences, with users, developers,
> and operators. Basically, anything that anyone would care to share would
> be much appreciated.
The lack of an ncurses setup gui/an express setup option is a major PITA 
which is why I haven't yet used gentoo as dom0 in a production 
environment, If something goes wrong and I am forced to re-install it 
will take long enough for the boss to think I am bad at my job and it 
isn't the type of thing one should do late at night.

Same for home too - when I get back I want to start my movie 
watching/gaming VM and kick back.
I would really enjoy some type of basic ncurses management gui to assist 
with the configuration of the litany of options to make things go 
faster, and to help prevent 2AM mistakes.

I like using a CLI, but I also know that it is not always best.
> Feel free to contact me off-list if you'd rather not reply here (if so,
> please let me know if you'd like your response kept totally private -
> otherwise there is a chance that I might anonymise and share it).
Like most people I hated using gentoo until I got my first 16 core CPU 
to ease the compile time suffering, compiling with an average dual or 
quad core was shockingly slow when I first started using it.

Maybe put a list of cheap but high performance CPU's somewhere with a 
warning to get folks ready for the compile times (ex: the opteron 6386SE 
$130 used for 16 cores and it doesn't have ME/PSP)

Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Daniel Frey]

On 11/19/17 08:25, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
> On 11/19/2017 07:56 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.
> Thanks!
>> I'm interested in both good and bad experiences, with users, developers,
>> and operators. Basically, anything that anyone would care to share would
>> be much appreciated.
> The lack of an ncurses setup gui/an express setup option is a major PITA 
> which is why I haven't yet used gentoo as dom0 in a production 
> environment, If something goes wrong and I am forced to re-install it 
> will take long enough for the boss to think I am bad at my job and it 
> isn't the type of thing one should do late at night.
> 
> Same for home too - when I get back I want to start my movie 
> watching/gaming VM and kick back.
> I would really enjoy some type of basic ncurses management gui to assist 
> with the configuration of the litany of options to make things go 
> faster, and to help prevent 2AM mistakes.
> 
> I like using a CLI, but I also know that it is not always best.
>> Feel free to contact me off-list if you'd rather not reply here (if so,
>> please let me know if you'd like your response kept totally private -
>> otherwise there is a chance that I might anonymise and share it).
> Like most people I hated using gentoo until I got my first 16 core CPU 
> to ease the compile time suffering, compiling with an average dual or 
> quad core was shockingly slow when I first started using it.
> 
> Maybe put a list of cheap but high performance CPU's somewhere with a 
> warning to get folks ready for the compile times (ex: the opteron 6386SE 
> $130 used for 16 cores and it doesn't have ME/PSP)
> 

The way it's worded makes me think feedback was requested on the irc 
channels, but maybe I am wrong?

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Taiidan]

On 11/19/2017 11:37 AM, Daniel Frey wrote:

> The way it's worded makes me think feedback was requested on the irc 
> channels, but maybe I am wrong?
Ha oh boy.

Most people of my generation refer to things as a hashtag on "social" 
media, such as I just purchased a #brandX computer.
I just woke up so I wasn't yet capable of nuance enough to notice that 
it was IRC instead :[ silly me.

Sorry for the misunderstanding folks!

Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Daniel Frey]

On 11/19/17 09:02, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
> On 11/19/2017 11:37 AM, Daniel Frey wrote:
> 
>> The way it's worded makes me think feedback was requested on the irc 
>> channels, but maybe I am wrong?
> Ha oh boy.
> 
> Most people of my generation refer to things as a hashtag on "social" 
> media, such as I just purchased a #brandX computer.
> I just woke up so I wasn't yet capable of nuance enough to notice that 
> it was IRC instead :[ silly me.
> 
> Sorry for the misunderstanding folks!

Well, it's the mention of 'operators'. I used to be in irc all the time, 
and had OP and half-OP in some channels, but this is a really long time 
ago now.

I thought twitter too until I read the rest.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Róbert Čerňanský]

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:37:53 -0800
Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/19/17 08:25, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
> > On 11/19/2017 07:56 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote:
> >   
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.  
[...]
> > The lack of an ncurses setup gui/an express setup option is a major
> > PITA which is why I haven't yet used gentoo as dom0 in a production 
[...]
> The way it's worded makes me think feedback was requested on the irc 
> channels, but maybe I am wrong?

It would still be nice though if representatives asks users also about
Gentoo as a product.  So they know where they are hitting nail on the
head and where they are somehow missing it.

Robert


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Róbert Čerňanský
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Jabber: hs@jabber.sk

Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Mick]

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On Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:05:07 GMT Róbert Čerňanský wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:37:53 -0800
> 
> Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/19/17 08:25, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
> > > On 11/19/2017 07:56 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >> 
> > >> I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > The lack of an ncurses setup gui/an express setup option is a major
> > > PITA which is why I haven't yet used gentoo as dom0 in a production
> 
> [...]
> 
> > The way it's worded makes me think feedback was requested on the irc
> > channels, but maybe I am wrong?
> 
> It would still be nice though if representatives asks users also about
> Gentoo as a product.  So they know where they are hitting nail on the
> head and where they are somehow missing it.
> 
> Robert

I've found #gentoo useful on a number of occasions when I needed a quick 
answer on some problem I was facing and was pleasantly surprised at the 
knowledge of some of the participants.  I still prefer the M/L list though for 
more involved problems, where a long-winded description and log output may be 
necessary.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: #gentoo experiences

[Kai Krakow]

Am Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:15 -0500
schrieb "Taiidan@gmx.com" <Taiidan@gmx.com>:

> > I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.  
> Thanks!
> > I'm interested in both good and bad experiences, with users,
> > developers, and operators. Basically, anything that anyone would
> > care to share would be much appreciated.  
> The lack of an ncurses setup gui/an express setup option is a major
> PITA which is why I haven't yet used gentoo as dom0 in a production 
> environment, If something goes wrong and I am forced to re-install it 
> will take long enough for the boss to think I am bad at my job and it 
> isn't the type of thing one should do late at night.

Keep a binpkg of all your installed packages in a backup, keep a backup
of /var/lib/portage/world and /etc.

Now for reinstalling, just feed back the binpkg backup and make.conf
backup (from etc) to portage, put the world file back in place, then
reinstall. Should only take a few seconds now.

Then restore the rest of your configuration using the etc-backup.


-- 
Regards,
Kai

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[gentoo-user] Re: #gentoo experiences

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-11-19, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.

Just curious: what is "#gentoo"?

Something to do with Twitter?

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: #gentoo experiences

[Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov]

В письме от понедельник, 20 ноября 2017 г. 0:38:36 +07 пользователь Grant 
Edwards написал:
> On 2017-11-19, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.
> 
> Just curious: what is "#gentoo"?
> 
> Something to do with Twitter?

IRC

Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Tsukasa Mcp_Reznor]

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From: Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:56 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

Hi all,

I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.

I'm interested in both good and bad experiences, with users, developers,
and operators. Basically, anything that anyone would care to share would
be much appreciated.

Feel free to contact me off-list if you'd rather not reply here (if so,
please let me know if you'd like your response kept totally private -
otherwise there is a chance that I might anonymise and share it).

Kind regards,

Michael






Personally, I've always loved the pure customizability, started on slackware back in the day, redhat, mandrake (lol), moved to bsd's for a bit, then ubuntu/fedora.  Finally when I found gentoo and gave it a shot, must admit I remember the installing was a bit much for my level back then.  Been learning ever since, it's quite shocking how well I handle all sorts of init scripts, portage nuances, and such now.

Most things about gentoo have always been top-notch, the only things that do come up from time to time just require some patience to get through.  Example package X version Y won't compile, you have many choices, read the errors, see if a dependency perhaps needs fixed/added/updated.  See if maybe it's a simple build option that needs added or removed from the ebuild, or possibly a USE flag change.   Then the more often then not answer if you aren't in dire need of package X right then, is simply to wait a week, then it'll magically work as someone else using gentoo has found the issue and fixed it.

If anyone new to gentoo is reading the mailing list, I would heavily suggest only have vital packages in your world file,  never GCC or anything else that gets pulled in by everything under the sun, it just makes emerging more hassle then needed on rare occasions.

Hope that helps your cause Michael :)
Tsukasa


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Re: [gentoo-user] #gentoo experiences

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:56:09PM +1100, Michael Palimaka wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm collecting information about people's experiences in #gentoo.
> 
> I'm interested in both good and bad experiences, with users, developers,
> and operators. Basically, anything that anyone would care to share would
> be much appreciated.

When I go there to solve some problem or other, more often than not I do get
at least a reply. Not always right-on, and sometimes I get no response at
all. But I can't expect that, especially not with some very specific (or
very vague) questions.

But it seems to me, some particular and very competent members are there and
answer questions 24/7 and I am grateful for their expertise. Just recently I
went in about an out-of-date portage sync, and they immediately pointed me
to a BGO entry. *g*

Unfortunately, usually it is in the evening when I try to solve my problems,
so I can't hang out there very long myself to lend aid to others.

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