From: Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 09:53:29 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161224095329.3e868798@digimed.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k2aqozyh.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de>
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 02:52:54 +0100, lee wrote:
> >> I only know what the names are when I can look them up when the
> >> computer is running. I don't call that "predictable".
That's because you are using a different definition of predictable from
that intended.
> >
> > If they are constructed according to specific rules, they are
> > predictable, by definition.
>
> You're overlooking that you need to know exactly, in advance, what the
> rules are applied to, and all the rules, for having a chance that your
> prediction turns out to be correct.
So how do you write udev rules to rename ports without knowing the
specifics of the hardware?
How do you know which port will be eth0 and which will be eth1 the first
time you boot if you use no renaming?
I really don't see your objection to a setting that, while a default, is
trivial to change, even before you boot the installed distro for the
first time. It is clearly useful to others, otherwise they would not have
invested time and effort in implementing. If, in doing so, they had ruled
out all alternatives, you would have a point. Those alternative are still
there, so all you are doing is whining.
No one has taken away your choice to do things how you see fit, why do
you want to do the same for others.
The choices are there, why not just use the one you want and leave others
to use what they want.
--
Neil Bothwick
I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full
house and four people died.
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2016-10-15 18:27 [gentoo-user] Firefox 49.0 & Youtube....Video: Yes - Audio: No Meino.Cramer
2016-10-16 4:55 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-10-16 6:48 ` Meino.Cramer
2016-10-16 6:59 ` Jigme Datse Yli-RAsku
2016-10-16 7:33 ` Meino.Cramer
2016-10-16 7:44 ` Meino.Cramer
2016-11-19 6:11 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-11-19 8:33 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-11-19 9:22 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-11-19 9:59 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-11-20 8:10 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-11-20 19:46 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-11-28 16:30 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-11-28 21:54 ` [gentoo-user] " Ian Zimmerman
2016-11-28 22:31 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-11-29 7:51 ` [gentoo-user] " Daniel Campbell
2016-11-30 22:34 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-10-16 23:43 ` [gentoo-user] " Ian Zimmerman
2016-10-16 13:17 ` [gentoo-user] " David M. Fellows
2016-12-16 10:19 ` [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... " Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-16 10:54 ` John Covici
2016-12-16 11:02 ` Arve Barsnes
2016-12-16 12:16 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-16 13:13 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-16 13:35 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-16 16:51 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-16 19:16 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-16 20:12 ` [gentoo-user] " Ian Zimmerman
2016-12-16 20:39 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-16 22:55 ` Ian Zimmerman
2016-12-16 23:58 ` [gentoo-user] X w/o suid root [Was: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?] Ian Zimmerman
2016-12-17 1:12 ` Simon Thelen
2016-12-18 5:35 ` [gentoo-user] Re: X w/o suid root Ian Zimmerman
2016-12-19 6:43 ` Ian Zimmerman
2016-12-19 23:35 ` Ian Zimmerman
2016-12-20 16:19 ` Michael Mol
2016-12-17 2:04 ` [gentoo-user] Re: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No Taiidan
2016-12-17 3:11 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-17 3:49 ` R0b0t1
2016-12-17 9:03 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-18 7:39 ` Tom H
2016-12-17 8:29 ` Tom H
2016-12-16 21:10 ` [gentoo-user] " R0b0t1
2016-12-16 22:27 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-17 5:59 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-17 8:08 ` Taiidan
2016-12-17 19:56 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-17 22:44 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-17 23:25 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-18 1:56 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-18 2:02 ` Taiidan
2016-12-18 5:50 ` [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon, WAS: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA? " Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-18 7:04 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-18 18:16 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-18 18:43 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-18 20:29 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-19 11:16 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-19 17:17 ` [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-19 17:43 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-19 23:33 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-20 15:10 ` Miroslav Rovis
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2016-12-20 8:00 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-20 15:07 ` [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-21 0:17 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-21 2:30 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-24 17:38 ` [gentoo-user] " Ian Zimmerman
2016-12-24 19:31 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-23 4:38 ` [gentoo-user] Pale Moon Air-Gapped portage EAPI 6 Install WAS: [Logging] SSL with PM Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-23 16:58 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-24 7:29 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-24 17:23 ` Miroslav Rovis
2017-01-11 5:50 ` Miroslav Rovis
2017-02-19 11:02 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-18 9:43 ` [gentoo-user] Re: from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No Martin Vaeth
2016-12-17 5:55 ` [gentoo-user] " Walter Dnes
2016-12-17 8:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-17 9:36 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-17 13:09 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-18 7:45 ` Tom H
2016-12-18 8:23 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-18 15:16 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-18 16:47 ` lee
2016-12-18 16:56 ` Dutch Ingraham
2016-12-18 21:09 ` lee
2016-12-18 18:26 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-18 21:34 ` lee
2016-12-18 22:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-19 16:55 ` lee
2016-12-18 16:52 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-17 12:35 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-17 13:17 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-17 14:35 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-17 14:58 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-17 18:20 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-17 19:34 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-17 21:57 ` Marc Joliet
2016-12-17 23:17 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-17 23:23 ` Andrej Rode
2016-12-17 23:36 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-19 9:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-19 22:34 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-19 23:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-19 14:52 ` Marc Joliet
2016-12-19 15:19 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-19 15:48 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-20 16:33 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-20 16:47 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-20 17:44 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-20 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-20 18:07 ` Kai Peter
2016-12-20 18:20 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-20 22:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-21 2:33 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-21 3:49 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-21 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-22 1:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-22 9:43 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-21 12:36 ` Tanstaafl
2016-12-21 13:03 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-21 18:56 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-21 19:31 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-21 21:18 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-22 1:40 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-21 12:09 ` karl
2016-12-21 13:27 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-21 13:36 ` Corbin Bird
2016-12-21 14:28 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-21 15:04 ` Corbin Bird
2016-12-21 19:00 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-22 6:50 ` Tom H
2016-12-22 6:05 ` Tom H
2016-12-18 0:01 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-18 1:58 ` Taiidan
2016-12-18 4:58 ` Andrej Rode
2016-12-18 7:07 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-12-18 10:32 ` Andrej Rode
2016-12-18 7:48 ` Tom H
2016-12-17 15:44 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-17 17:19 ` Corbin Bird
2016-12-17 19:10 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-17 20:51 ` Marc Joliet
2016-12-18 1:21 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-18 9:25 ` Marc Joliet
2016-12-18 1:23 ` Daniel Campbell (zlg)
2016-12-18 20:58 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-17 18:22 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-17 22:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-17 23:28 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-17 23:58 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2016-12-18 1:25 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-18 7:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-18 7:50 ` Tom H
2016-12-17 22:57 ` [gentoo-user] " Andrej Rode
2016-12-17 23:31 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-18 4:44 ` Andrej Rode
2016-12-18 12:25 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-19 9:59 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-19 22:42 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-17 23:35 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-18 7:39 ` Tom H
2016-12-18 21:02 ` Walter Dnes
2016-12-19 18:15 ` lee
2016-12-19 20:07 ` Daniel Frey
2016-12-19 20:35 ` lee
2016-12-19 21:09 ` Andrej Rode
2016-12-20 3:37 ` lee
2016-12-20 4:23 ` Andrej Rode
2016-12-20 10:11 ` Kai Peter
2016-12-20 16:21 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-20 17:38 ` Kai Peter
2016-12-20 17:50 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-20 18:08 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-20 18:22 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-20 18:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-20 19:05 ` Heiko Baums
2016-12-20 21:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-20 22:11 ` lee
2016-12-21 0:27 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-21 11:33 ` karl
2016-12-21 21:48 ` lee
2016-12-21 23:46 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-22 3:15 ` lee
2016-12-22 8:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-22 9:52 ` Tom H
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2016-12-23 7:26 ` Tom H
2016-12-23 8:39 ` Neil Bothwick
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2016-12-29 9:36 ` Tom H
2016-12-24 15:50 ` Tom H
2016-12-24 21:20 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-24 1:57 ` lee
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2016-12-26 20:01 ` lee
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2016-12-29 10:13 ` Tom H
2016-12-30 1:15 ` Miroslav Rovis
2016-12-30 2:23 ` Rich Freeman
2016-12-30 10:19 ` Tom H
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2016-12-28 16:20 ` mailer "module" for 'eselect news' (Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No) lee
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2016-12-20 21:53 ` [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No Neil Bothwick
2016-12-20 22:12 ` Rich Freeman
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2016-12-20 22:04 ` lee
2016-12-22 6:56 ` Tom H
2016-12-20 20:35 ` Daniel Frey
2016-12-20 20:52 ` Andrej Rode
2016-12-22 6:53 ` Tom H
2016-12-22 15:40 ` Daniel Frey
2016-12-23 7:38 ` Tom H
2016-12-19 22:50 ` Dale
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2016-12-26 23:02 ` lee
2016-12-27 9:06 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-27 19:03 ` lee
2016-12-20 8:33 ` Kai Peter
2016-12-22 6:08 ` Tom H
2016-12-24 2:07 ` lee
2016-12-24 6:57 ` [gentoo-user] " Martin Vaeth
2016-12-24 9:54 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-12-24 16:12 ` lee
2016-12-24 15:48 ` [gentoo-user] " Tom H
2016-12-26 18:35 ` lee
2016-12-26 21:44 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-27 7:32 ` lee
2016-12-29 9:40 ` Tom H
2016-12-20 17:04 ` Tanstaafl
2016-12-20 17:12 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-12-20 20:29 ` Daniel Frey
2016-12-26 15:21 ` Michael Mol
2016-12-27 12:39 ` [gentoo-user] Firefox 49.0 & Youtube....Video: Yes - " Alarig Le Lay
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