From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-174130-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE7751395E2 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 00:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B617421C043; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 00:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C7F4E07FD for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 00:36:28 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CjAgALW9BX/xnl92hdHQEFAYMtAQEBAQEegVOISoRlqxGCA4YWBAICgWk5FAECAQEBAQEBAV4nhGIBAQQ6HDMLGAkTEg8FJTeISrxVAQEIAiWFN3iEToUMgmGCLwWPHYo8AYFmjUyJWheFdFIui1CDex42hG4eNIVWAQEB X-IPAS-Result: A0CjAgALW9BX/xnl92hdHQEFAYMtAQEBAQEegVOISoRlqxGCA4YWBAICgWk5FAECAQEBAQEBAV4nhGIBAQQ6HDMLGAkTEg8FJTeISrxVAQEIAiWFN3iEToUMgmGCLwWPHYo8AYFmjUyJWheFdFIui1CDex42hG4eNIVWAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.30,296,1470715200"; d="scan'208";a="279790503" Received: from 104-247-229-25.cpe.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([104.247.229.25]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2016 19:36:26 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:36:20 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:36:20 -0500 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sans-dbus was: gnome intrusion? Message-ID: <20161120003620.GA16081@waltdnes.org> References: <CAKpSnp+QFEgAFk-R1ta75WtFQFKgEzjm1b7t++Q2S5fgdiKNSw@mail.gmail.com> <CAGfcS_n7a8maBbSrzCyXvKtC6j12O61=iTYEUAL28=xDkMdveQ@mail.gmail.com> <20161117074400.7908.242EA9B5@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <CAGfcS_nN7A7a8cQtTtT5-zrXat_Kvahn0p-U_y77JC0ZLgVZUA@mail.gmail.com> <20161119102149.0c62c7ad@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> <20161119190405.8295.2CF92EED@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <CAGfcS_kJJMPuDwyDYjr-g5fL3RHNjZWuUuSci+TzGaUAxvVGtw@mail.gmail.com> <20161119204409.11828.251A07F0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <e4e29e28-f991-9923-ac82-ac2b0dccf21a@gmail.com> <20161119211734.12746.24E6124D@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20161119211734.12746.24E6124D@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Archives-Salt: 02efe5e7-b2b9-4e2d-b1b2-cf0e885aa3fc X-Archives-Hash: db97da0810f789e862d28324a37b97fe On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 01:23:13PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote > On 2016-11-19 23:07, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Yes I know init and KDE are very very different beasts from different > > eras with different approaches to getting stuff done and so can appear > > completely different. But within the contact of /this/ thread, they are > > very similar. And you don't understand one of them to anything like the > > same standard you understand the other. > > I agree with this, this is the core of the issue. > > But you see: I don't need the features these new beasts provide. Why > should I have to learn all that huge amount of information, crowding out > things I actually _like_ to know from my declining memory, to keep control > of my computing? I use ICEWM. See my sig. -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications