From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A471C1395E2 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C97CE0B81; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6.plusvps.com (smtp6.plusvps.com [89.201.164.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EDF3E0B70 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lin16.mojsite.com ([178.218.164.164]) by smtp6.plusvps.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1c6zby-000AZc-93 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:46:46 +0100 Received: from 78-1-183-177.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.183.177]:54430 helo=g0n.localdomain) by lin16.mojsite.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c6zbx-0002li-7S for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:46:45 +0100 Received: by g0n.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 504A147; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:47:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:47:26 +0100 From: Miroslav Rovis To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] sans-dbus was: gnome intrusion? Message-ID: <20161116124726.GA8424@g0n.xdwgrp> References: <20161114213743.55a5e76a@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-PlusHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details, Found to be clean X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Spam-Status: No, No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lin16.mojsite.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - croatiafidelis.hr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: lin16.mojsite.com: authenticated_id: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr X-Authenticated-Sender: lin16.mojsite.com: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1c6zby-000AZc-93 X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-From: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr X-Archives-Salt: 3ffaf19a-c18b-4221-b925-328773b0be76 X-Archives-Hash: 27ba57de4974a9d955721c9a07ec7717 --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 161114-21:49+0000, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Kai Krakow wrote: > > Am Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:32:59 +0000 >=20 > >> --config-file=3D/usr/share/defaults/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork > >> --print-address 3 > >> 417 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/libexec/at-spi2-registryd >=20 =2E.. > I also would love to get rid of dbus, but I suppose something > essential would break. =2E.. > Jorge >=20 I live without dbus. I've only recently noticed (can't be since long) there is a dbus flag. Find here also my very disliked pulseaudio and policykit flags: https://www.gentoo.org/support/use-flags/ It's been my hard won struggle to rid me of dbus: Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats) https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html I'm linking there because I was on the verge of giving up at one point, and I don't know if you may need to look all the long and gory details, as it wasn't completely easy to rid of dbus then... While it may be now. I decided to go sans-dbus at all costs when I discovered a similar issue like you report in the first main of this thread to which I now participate: [gentoo-user] gnome intrusion? https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/4cd394faa9a3749bfc6bafbf629= 3ceba Have a look: Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3D20&t=3D116770&start=3D45#p552566 pasting parts of what I found, for the lazy: $ ps aux | grep ssh root 2184 0.0 0.0 54976 1004 ? Ss Sep06 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd mr 2447 0.0 0.0 10592 32 ? Ss Sep06 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager mr 15141 0.0 0.0 19980 1796 pts/9 S+ 21:48 0:00 grep ssh $ It was the dbus-launch, it was an encrypted session in my own machine. C'mon??!! Also, I've noticed that our developers are lending an ear to sans-dbus users, as they are getting way more packages then previosly that do not depend in the least on dbus anymore (Firefox, Wireshark, Inkscape ... well I don't use very many packages... Ah, not to forget, Qt5 now does not depend on dbus, or D-Bus, used below...) Ah, I almost forgot. Gentoo is as default (OpenRC) without dbus! Have a look: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems There is no D-Bus under "Main dependencies" for OpenRC (I really like OpenRC...) ( However, the search for newbies, not for someone who knows what (s)he is searching, like me now, is not inclined, if others see what I see when they search wiki, and pasting: openrc init systems in searchbox at: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Main_Page didn't give me: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems How is that? I had noticed the same not-finding-it for Grsecurity long time ago... ) Regards! --=20 Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYLFVeAAoJEOqYhIhPuvCuAlQP/1w476AiRCeproQig7ITi9F3 A/EGL/H2hXZ+kSdgb1YY25lLjPMYCSp8nVQG0U/Y6mX8hUdKjl6McFDlq4+5vAw7 nbUmp8Ni/O0DuZqNBa83KyALJe+DYmVxPrIXU7781hE2+pn//9dFTuK2yHPTHjmg qffUhIpYf8Jb+unRTjAsw+PR/lU5TqZjXTB5fzh6ZGGTqqKO0kMuAsI4G+qOIrkE 36SwKrQzE+dKqk5Lm8Y33ENpOe+cqRvYc5Nh/d2EzJ47Mc1tHw61P6fGVaJX/qGx kBkOILvqc/7YbVE2kEPUEb9s38izQ81J/vzQLSjbnN2VwDRIeahHVL3R+ZtZVhbp dep1VqPGeZSgUMEX3fG7znH76ZSR03BLxb7Ag+ozqE/sf2HzCVoLGx6k8CVf5Sp6 Bw1fqPwky5YD3ZFXDLSUErCH7secsDLfOSI240Tt85wQxagZM0W9lRIXy/varFrP 0GO9eAPz/ADUYlP/kdAE1D1VLm8cCDAoWD9380GJrtXQMOl/0fKIkApHpEPsb3c2 wYvv8cgmmPi0CVsqBqfs4RabjSZOAqwkpoa8G+WkqZ4g99hKxsm1LK6uGPz6WJ3f GJdM0oEmNDCFkCh7LEQIAbXb+YSu4OGIdlFLwp8yHg9gQsAnX7Ah+tb+laWpBPvs SBHTizLM6a1vCb6RmBce =ysiB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr--