[gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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Attempting to update/world this weekend I get:


# emerge -uDv @world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5" have been 
masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-16.04.2::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, 
~amd64 keyword)
- kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-15.12.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)

(dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1::gentoo" 
[ebuild])
(dependency required by "@selected" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])

I have all of KDE:5 masked since I think installing it sounds too risky. 
Checking the kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1 ebuild it has a dependency on kde-
apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5. Is this a mistake? Has anyone found a solution to 
this?

Thanks
Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 09 Jul 2016 20:52:46 Robin Atwood wrote:
> Attempting to update/world this weekend I get:
> 
> # emerge -uDv @world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5" have
> been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request: - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-16.04.2::gentoo (masked by:
> package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-15.12.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
> 
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1::gentoo"
> [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> 
> I have all of KDE:5 masked since I think installing it sounds too risky.
> Checking the kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1 ebuild it has a dependency on kde-
> apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5. Is this a mistake? Has anyone found a solution
> to this?

Yes, I got it too, even going straight to rsync.gentoo.org instead of my usual
UK mirror. I tried adding to package.mask:
	>=kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1
	>=kde-base/kactivities-4.13.3-r2
but that only caused another failure because those package versions weren't
available.

I was hoping this was a part-update problem, in which the devs hadn't released
all the packages involved in whatever change they're making. I'm still
inclined to think that, because:

$ diff $(equery w =kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1) $(equery w =kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22)
12c12
< KEYWORDS="~amd64 ~arm ~x86 ~amd64-linux ~x86-linux"
---
> KEYWORDS="amd64 ~arm x86 ~amd64-linux ~x86-linux"
51d50
<       "${FILESDIR}/${PN}-kwalletd-pam.patch"
$

...and that patch file has no mention of kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5.

This is an ~amd64 box, by the way, so I'm not affected by the change of
keyword in -r1.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

[gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Michael Palimaka]

On 09/07/16 23:52, Robin Atwood wrote:
> Attempting to update/world this weekend I get:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> # emerge -uDv @world
> 
>  
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
>  
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
>  
> 
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5"
> have been masked.
> 
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request:
> 
> - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-16.04.2::gentoo (masked by:
> package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> 
> - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-15.12.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
> 
>  
> 
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1::gentoo"
> [ebuild])
> 
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> 
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> 
>  
> 
> I have all of KDE:5 masked since I think installing it sounds too risky.
> Checking the kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1 ebuild it has a dependency on
> kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5. Is this a mistake? Has anyone found a
> solution to this?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Robin

Hi Robin,

This change is correct - we're in the process of cleaning up some old
ebuilds at the moment.

In this case kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5 doesn't imply anything
KF5-based - it has just been ported to use a newer eclass. It still just
pulls in the old KDE4-based kde-runtime packages.

Kind regards,

Michael

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 10 Jul 2016 04:08:36 Michael Palimaka wrote:
> On 09/07/16 23:52, Robin Atwood wrote:
> > Attempting to update/world this weekend I get:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > # emerge -uDv @world
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5"
> > have been masked.
> > 
> > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> > request:
> > 
> > - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-16.04.2::gentoo (masked by:
> > package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> > 
> > - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-15.12.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1::gentoo"
> > [ebuild])
> > 
> > (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> > 
> > (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have all of KDE:5 masked since I think installing it sounds too risky.
> > Checking the kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1 ebuild it has a dependency on
> > kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5. Is this a mistake? Has anyone found a
> > solution to this?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Robin
> 
> Hi Robin,
> 
> This change is correct - we're in the process of cleaning up some old
> ebuilds at the moment.
> 
> In this case kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5 doesn't imply anything
> KF5-based - it has just been ported to use a newer eclass. It still just
> pulls in the old KDE4-based kde-runtime packages.

That's good news. Now, how does one allow that package to be installed while 
keeping the rest of KF5 masked?

# cat /etc/portage/package.mask                                              
kde-plasma/*
kde-frameworks/*:5
kde-apps/*:5
kde-misc/*:5
>=kde-apps/kde4-l10n-16.04.1

We seem to need an analogue of CONFIG_PROTECT and CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK, in 
which we could mask all kde-apps/*:5 while allowing kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-
meta:5 to be installed. Can that be done? I hope there's an easier way than 
masking all 122 apps separately.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 09 Jul 2016 23:22:49 I wrote:
> On Sunday 10 Jul 2016 04:08:36 Michael Palimaka wrote:

--->8

> > This change is correct - we're in the process of cleaning up some old
> > ebuilds at the moment.
> > 
> > In this case kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5 doesn't imply anything
> > KF5-based - it has just been ported to use a newer eclass. It still just
> > pulls in the old KDE4-based kde-runtime packages.

I don't think that's entirely true; see below.

> That's good news. Now, how does one allow that package to be installed while
> keeping the rest of KF5 masked?
> 
> # cat /etc/portage/package.mask
> kde-plasma/*
> kde-frameworks/*:5
> kde-apps/*:5
> kde-misc/*:5
> >=kde-apps/kde4-l10n-16.04.1
> 
> We seem to need an analogue of CONFIG_PROTECT and CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK, in
> which we could mask all kde-apps/*:5 while allowing
> kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5 to be installed. Can that be done? I hope
> there's an easier way than masking all 122 apps separately.

In fact I tried the separate masking. It led on to having to treat kde-plasma 
and kde-frameworks similarly, and before I knew it I was unmasking a load of 
packages that don't belong in a KDE-4 system.

What to try next?

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Daniel Frey]

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On 07/09/2016 03:40 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> In fact I tried the separate masking. It led on to having to treat kde-plasma 
> and kde-frameworks similarly, and before I knew it I was unmasking a load of 
> packages that don't belong in a KDE-4 system.
> 
> What to try next?
> 

When I tried plasma and it crashed every 10 seconds I reverted and
manually masked all packages >4.15.

I figure eventually the instability will go away but decided to leave it
for another year or so. Heck, I may never update again. ;-) I like
having a desktop that just works.

I haven't tried updating recently (some months because I don't want to
deal with the plasma stuff now) though, so I don't know if it still works.

I've attached my package.mask if you want to try it. Talk about try to
solve updates with a sledgehammer though...

I think you'll also have to remove wallpapers in order to make portage
happy about conflicts:

[/etc/portage/package.use]
kde-base/kdebase-startkde -wallpapers
kde-apps/kdebase-meta -wallpapers

(Yes, it took forever to do that manually.)

I suspect it will probably not work now but it'll be a starting point if
you want to try this method. Maybe all you'll have to do is adjust some
versions?

Dan


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

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On Saturday 09 Jul 2016 16:30:18 Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 07/09/2016 03:40 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > In fact I tried the separate masking. It led on to having to treat
> > kde-plasma and kde-frameworks similarly, and before I knew it I was
> > unmasking a load of packages that don't belong in a KDE-4 system.
> > 
> > What to try next?
> 
> When I tried plasma and it crashed every 10 seconds I reverted and
> manually masked all packages >4.15.
> 
> I figure eventually the instability will go away but decided to leave it
> for another year or so. Heck, I may never update again. ;-) I like
> having a desktop that just works.
> 
> I haven't tried updating recently (some months because I don't want to
> deal with the plasma stuff now) though, so I don't know if it still works.
> 
> I've attached my package.mask if you want to try it. Talk about try to
> solve updates with a sledgehammer though...
> 
> I think you'll also have to remove wallpapers in order to make portage
> happy about conflicts:
> 
> [/etc/portage/package.use]
> kde-base/kdebase-startkde -wallpapers
> kde-apps/kdebase-meta -wallpapers
> 
> (Yes, it took forever to do that manually.)
> 
> I suspect it will probably not work now but it'll be a starting point if
> you want to try this method. Maybe all you'll have to do is adjust some
> versions?

Thanks Dan. I tried your package.mask and thought I was getting somewhere. But 
I had to add these to package.use (I have USE=-qt5 in make.conf):

sys-auth/polkit-qt              qt5
dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt         qt5
media-libs/phonon               qt5
media-libs/phonon-vlc           qt5

Then I had to remove >kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.15 from package.mask to 
satisfy "(dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22::gentoo" 
[ebuild])". Guess what? Of course - it wanted to install the whole set of qt5 
packages.

So I'm still stuck. I don't want to go to KDE-5 until I can find a way to 
reduce the absurd amount of vertical space occupied by every line of text. It 
will still be ugly, but at least more manageable.

I've attached screen shots of qt4 and qt5 versions of KMail to show what I 
mean. The qt5 version is as close as I can get to the qt4.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Daniel Frey]

On 07/09/2016 07:08 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Thanks Dan. I tried your package.mask and thought I was getting somewhere. But 
> I had to add these to package.use (I have USE=-qt5 in make.conf):
> 
> sys-auth/polkit-qt              qt5
> dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt         qt5
> media-libs/phonon               qt5
> media-libs/phonon-vlc           qt5
> 
> Then I had to remove >kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.15 from package.mask to 
> satisfy "(dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22::gentoo" 
> [ebuild])". Guess what? Of course - it wanted to install the whole set of qt5 
> packages.
> 
> So I'm still stuck. I don't want to go to KDE-5 until I can find a way to 
> reduce the absurd amount of vertical space occupied by every line of text. It 
> will still be ugly, but at least more manageable.
> 
> I've attached screen shots of qt4 and qt5 versions of KMail to show what I 
> mean. The qt5 version is as close as I can get to the qt4.
> 

I just tried and no luck here either. I made that list back in April
when plasma made my machine unusable (hence the "might not work now"
comment.) It's been several months now but I really don't want to go and
try plasma again and waste days trying to get my machine usable again.
I'm just not going to do any updates (and I guess I should do a stage4
backup in case I have to restore...)

Right now my machine is nice and stable. What I don't understand is that
plasma clearly isn't ready for primetime yet (IMHO) yet it seems KDE4 is
not installable on Gentoo anymore.

I did try many things trying to get plasma working but everything I
tried had no results. Plasma would crash even if you didn't do anything
(no keyboard or mouse input.)

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 10 Jul 2016 03:08:43 I wrote:

> I don't want to go to KDE-5 until I can find a way to reduce the absurd
> amount of vertical space occupied by every line of text. It will still be
> ugly, but at least more manageable.

I've found what I was looking for. There's a pair of settings for "strut" in 
the Qt settings panel: one each for minimum x and minimum y text size. All I 
had to do was to put a small, non-zero number in there and the vertical space 
occupied by a line of text became more reasonable.

I could have found this earlier but I didn't recognise the term "strut". I 
knew about "leading" (a strip of lead that a printer would insert between rows 
of text to space them out); it seems this is similar in effect.

That's today's new thing to learn. I hope it helps somebody.

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 09 Jul 2016 19:45:03 Daniel Frey wrote:

> Right now my machine is nice and stable. What I don't understand is that
> plasma clearly isn't ready for primetime yet (IMHO) yet it seems KDE4 is
> not installable on Gentoo anymore.

The KDE project are notorious for that, or at least in my book they are. I 
told them last year that if I'd allowed an embryonic KDE-4 out the door the 
way they did I'd have been out of a job quicker than you could say "quality 
control." Made no difference of course.

> I did try many things trying to get plasma working but everything I
> tried had no results. Plasma would crash even if you didn't do anything
> (no keyboard or mouse input.)

I've had no trouble with stability, only with ugliness.

Thanks again for trying to help, Dan.

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Sunday 10 July 2016, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 09 Jul 2016 23:22:49 I wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 Jul 2016 04:08:36 Michael Palimaka wrote:
> --->8
> 
> > > This change is correct - we're in the process of cleaning up some old
> > > ebuilds at the moment.
> > > 
> > > In this case kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5 doesn't imply anything
> > > KF5-based - it has just been ported to use a newer eclass. It still
> > > just pulls in the old KDE4-based kde-runtime packages.
> 
> I don't think that's entirely true; see below.
> 
> > That's good news. Now, how does one allow that package to be installed
> > while keeping the rest of KF5 masked?
> > 
> > # cat /etc/portage/package.mask
> > kde-plasma/*
> > kde-frameworks/*:5
> > kde-apps/*:5
> > kde-misc/*:5
> > 
> > >=kde-apps/kde4-l10n-16.04.1
> > 
> > We seem to need an analogue of CONFIG_PROTECT and CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK, in
> > which we could mask all kde-apps/*:5 while allowing
> > kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5 to be installed. Can that be done? I hope
> > there's an easier way than masking all 122 apps separately.
> 
> In fact I tried the separate masking. It led on to having to treat
> kde-plasma and kde-frameworks similarly, and before I knew it I was
> unmasking a load of packages that don't belong in a KDE-4 system.
> 
> What to try next?

Indeed. The situation seems to be that Gentoo is not upgradable unless KDE5 is 
installed. :(

Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Daniel Frey]

On 07/10/2016 04:22 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> I've had no trouble with stability, only with ugliness.
> 
> Thanks again for trying to help, Dan.
> 

No problem! Too bad it didn't work.

I remember reading a couple of months ago KDE committed a patch to the
constant crash problem but I can't find it again to see what version of
plasma it was committed to. Back in April it was probably 5.5.2/5.5.3
that was stable, I see 5.5.5 was stabilized back in June, this could be
the version that had the bugfixes.

I guess I'll have to plan to waste a few days trying to upgrade again...

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:22:32 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> The KDE project are notorious for that, or at least in my book they
> are. I told them last year that if I'd allowed an embryonic KDE-4 out
> the door the way they did I'd have been out of a job quicker than you
> could say "quality control."

The KDE project clearly stated that the first few KDE releases were not
production ready and should be considered betas, at best. The problem was
caused by distros that went ahead and included KDE 4.1 nonetheless.
Probably because they liked the higher version number :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2016 19:43, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:22:32 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
>> The KDE project are notorious for that, or at least in my book they
>> are. I told them last year that if I'd allowed an embryonic KDE-4 out
>> the door the way they did I'd have been out of a job quicker than you
>> could say "quality control."
>
> The KDE project clearly stated that the first few KDE releases were not
> production ready and should be considered betas, at best. The problem was
> caused by distros that went ahead and included KDE 4.1 nonetheless.
> Probably because they liked the higher version number :(
>
>

The distros did worse than that - most of them just dropped KDE-4.1 on 
the users and removed KDE-3. People were left with something that 
couldn't possibly work.

What they should have done is marked KDE-4.1 as "optional/experimental"

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Jörg Schaible]

Daniel Frey wrote:

> On 07/09/2016 07:08 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> Thanks Dan. I tried your package.mask and thought I was getting
>> somewhere. But I had to add these to package.use (I have USE=-qt5 in
>> make.conf):
>> 
>> sys-auth/polkit-qt              qt5
>> dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt         qt5
>> media-libs/phonon               qt5
>> media-libs/phonon-vlc           qt5
>> 
>> Then I had to remove >kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.15 from
>> package.mask to satisfy "(dependency required by
>> "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22::gentoo"
>> [ebuild])". Guess what? Of course - it wanted to install the whole set of
>> [qt5
>> packages.
>> 
>> So I'm still stuck. I don't want to go to KDE-5 until I can find a way to
>> reduce the absurd amount of vertical space occupied by every line of
>> text. It will still be ugly, but at least more manageable.
>> 
>> I've attached screen shots of qt4 and qt5 versions of KMail to show what
>> I mean. The qt5 version is as close as I can get to the qt4.
>> 
> 
> I just tried and no luck here either. I made that list back in April
> when plasma made my machine unusable (hence the "might not work now"
> comment.) It's been several months now but I really don't want to go and
> try plasma again and waste days trying to get my machine usable again.
> I'm just not going to do any updates (and I guess I should do a stage4
> backup in case I have to restore...)
> 
> Right now my machine is nice and stable. What I don't understand is that
> plasma clearly isn't ready for primetime yet (IMHO) yet it seems KDE4 is
> not installable on Gentoo anymore.

It seems so. Really embarassing is however, that the dependencies for even 
already installed packages have been changed under the hood:

===================== %< ===================
$ diff -u `locate kactivities-4.13.3-r2.ebuild`
--- /var/db/pkg/kde-base/kactivities-4.13.3-r2/kactivities-4.13.3-r2.ebuild     
2016-03-09 17:26:34.581846384 +0100
+++ /var/db/portage/gentoo/kde-base/kactivities/kactivities-4.13.3-r2.ebuild    
2016-07-08 22:21:51.000000000 +0200
@@ -10,11 +10,11 @@
 
 DESCRIPTION="KDE Activity Manager"
 
-KEYWORDS="amd64 ~arm ~ppc ~ppc64 x86 ~x86-fbsd ~amd64-linux ~x86-linux"
+KEYWORDS="amd64 ~arm x86 ~x86-fbsd ~amd64-linux ~x86-linux"
 IUSE=""
 
 RDEPEND="
-       || ( $(add_kdebase_dep kactivitymanagerd) <kde-
frameworks/kactivities-5.20.0:5 kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd:5 )
+       kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd:5
 "
 
 src_configure() {
===================== %< ===================

There was not even a revision bump. For me this is one of the unfriendliest 
and annoying actions in the last decade of Gentoo (and I am even longer 
using it).

> I did try many things trying to get plasma working but everything I
> tried had no results. Plasma would crash even if you didn't do anything
> (no keyboard or mouse input.)
> 
> Dan

Jörg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 10 July 2016 12:22:32 I wrote:

> I've had no trouble with stability, only with ugliness.

...most of which I've eliminated by using the Oxygen theme, Deja Vu sans 
typeface and the 1,1 strut values I mentioned in another message.

However, there is one remaining problem (well, most likely more than one, but 
this is the one that's bothering me at the moment): in the GTK widget style 
panel under application style I see a Get New Themes button. I click it to 
download a GTK-2 them and the add-on installer says it's initialising. That's 
it - no progress from there.

Does anyone know what I'm missing?

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Andrés Becerra Sandoval]

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2016-07-09 8:52 GMT-05:00 Robin Atwood <robin@binro.org>:

> Attempting to update/world this weekend I get:
>
>
>
>
>
> # emerge -uDv @world
>
>
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
>
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>
>
>
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5" have
> been masked.
>
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request:
>
> - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-16.04.2::gentoo (masked by: package.mask,
> ~amd64 keyword)
>
> - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-15.12.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
>
>
>
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1::gentoo"
> [ebuild])
>
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
>
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
>
>
>
> I have all of KDE:5 masked since I think installing it sounds too risky.
> Checking the kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1 ebuild it has a dependency on
> kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5. Is this a mistake? Has anyone found a
> solution to this?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Robin
>
> --
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Robin Atwood.
>
>
>
> "Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
>
> Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
>
> from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

​Robin,

My ugly hack on this to keep on kde4 withouth pulling frameworks 5:

1) use a local overlay
2) locate kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1.ebuild (in
/var/db/pkg/kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1)
3) put the kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1.ebuild into ​
/usr/local/portage/kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd/
​4) add  a ​
SLOT="5"
​ line to the ebuild
5) add a unmask ​line
=kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1
​ to /et​c/package.unmask

​I need 5) because I mask ​all kde-plasma/* packages



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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Tuesday 12 July 2016, Andrés Becerra Sandoval wrote:
> 2016-07-09 8:52 GMT-05:00 Robin Atwood <robin@binro.org>:
> > Attempting to update/world this weekend I get:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > # emerge -uDv @world
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5" have
> > been masked.
> > 
> > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> > request:
> > 
> > - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-16.04.2::gentoo (masked by: package.mask,
> > ~amd64 keyword)
> > 
> > - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-15.12.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1::gentoo"
> > [ebuild])
> > 
> > (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> > 
> > (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have all of KDE:5 masked since I think installing it sounds too risky.
> > Checking the kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1 ebuild it has a dependency on
> > kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5. Is this a mistake? Has anyone found a
> > solution to this?
> 
> ​Robin,
> 
> My ugly hack on this to keep on kde4 withouth pulling frameworks 5:
> 
> 1) use a local overlay
> 2) locate kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1.ebuild (in
> /var/db/pkg/kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1)
> 3) put the kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1.ebuild into ​
> /usr/local/portage/kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd/
> ​4) add  a ​
> SLOT="5"
> ​ line to the ebuild
> 5) add a unmask ​line
> =kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1
> ​ to /et​c/package.unmask
> 
> ​I need 5) because I mask ​all kde-plasma/* packages

Andrés-
That did the trick! Thanks very much. Until the next time... :(

Cheers
Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Friday 15 July 2016, Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 July 2016, Andrés Becerra Sandoval wrote:
> > 2016-07-09 8:52 GMT-05:00 Robin Atwood <robin@binro.org>:
> > > Attempting to update/world this weekend I get:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > # emerge -uDv @world
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5"
> > > have been masked.
> > > 
> > > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> > > request:
> > > 
> > > - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-16.04.2::gentoo (masked by:
> > > package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> > > 
> > > - kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta-15.12.3::gentoo (masked by:
> > > package.mask)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1::gentoo"
> > > [ebuild])
> > > 
> > > (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> > > 
> > > (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have all of KDE:5 masked since I think installing it sounds too
> > > risky. Checking the kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-r1 ebuild it has a
> > > dependency on kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta:5. Is this a mistake? Has
> > > anyone found a solution to this?
> > 
> > ​Robin,
> > 
> > My ugly hack on this to keep on kde4 withouth pulling frameworks 5:
> > 
> > 1) use a local overlay
> > 2) locate kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1.ebuild (in
> > /var/db/pkg/kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1)
> > 3) put the kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1.ebuild into ​
> > /usr/local/portage/kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd/
> > ​4) add  a ​
> > SLOT="5"
> > ​ line to the ebuild
> > 5) add a unmask ​line
> > =kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-4.13.3-r1
> > ​ to /et​c/package.unmask
> > 
> > ​I need 5) because I mask ​all kde-plasma/* packages
> 
> Andrés-
> That did the trick! Thanks very much. Until the next time... :(

And the next problem:

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5" 
have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.7.3::gentoo (masked by: 
package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
- kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.6.5::gentoo (masked by: 
package.mask)

(dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-
r2::gentoo[wallpapers]" [installed])
(dependency required by "@selected" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])

Why does kdebase-startkde:4 want plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5? has anyone 
solved this yet?

Thanks
Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 20:56:50 Robin Atwood wrote:

> And the next problem:
> 
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy
> "kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5" have been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request: - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.7.3::gentoo (masked
> by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.6.5::gentoo (masked by:
> package.mask)
> 
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-
> r2::gentoo[wallpapers]" [installed])
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> 
> Why does kdebase-startkde:4 want plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5? has anyone
> solved this yet?

I don't know, but the ebuild calls version 5 explicitly.

What happens if you add USE=-wallpapers to startkde in package.use?

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Daniel Frey]

On 08/13/2016 06:56 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> 
> Why does kdebase-startkde:4 want plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5? has
> anyone solved this yet?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Robin
> 

Somewhere in this thread they mentioned they're cleaning up old ebuilds,
so kde4 is requiring all sorts of kde5 ebuilds now.

You can try using the kde-sunset overlay for old kde4 builds. They've
been pretty good about moving stuff in there.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Saturday 13 August 2016, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 20:56:50 Robin Atwood wrote:
> > And the next problem:
> > 
> > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy
> > "kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5" have been masked.
> > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> > request: - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.7.3::gentoo (masked
> > by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> > - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.6.5::gentoo (masked by:
> > package.mask)
> > 
> > (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-
> > r2::gentoo[wallpapers]" [installed])
> > (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> > (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> > 
> > Why does kdebase-startkde:4 want plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5? has
> > anyone solved this yet?
> 
> I don't know, but the ebuild calls version 5 explicitly.
> 
> What happens if you add USE=-wallpapers to startkde in package.use?

I wondered about that but thought I might end up with no wallpapers. :(

Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 22:54:19 Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Saturday 13 August 2016, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 20:56:50 Robin Atwood wrote:
> > > And the next problem:
> > > 
> > > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy
> > > "kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5" have been masked.
> > > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> > > request: - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.7.3::gentoo
> > > (masked
> > > by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> > > - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.6.5::gentoo (masked by:
> > > package.mask)
> > > 
> > > (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-
> > > r2::gentoo[wallpapers]" [installed])
> > > (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> > > (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> > > 
> > > Why does kdebase-startkde:4 want plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5? has
> > > anyone solved this yet?
> > 
> > I don't know, but the ebuild calls version 5 explicitly.
> > 
> > What happens if you add USE=-wallpapers to startkde in package.use?
> 
> I wondered about that but thought I might end up with no wallpapers. :(

Well, either you can try it to see what happens, maybe putting it back 
afterwards, or you can remove that line from the ebuild - again, 
temporarily. Or try the kde-sunset overlay as Dan suggests.

It's becoming steadily harder to stick with KDE-4 in Gentoo. I gave up a few 
weeks ago, once I'd found a desktop arrangement to suit me.

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Sunday 14 August 2016, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 22:54:19 Robin Atwood wrote:
> > On Saturday 13 August 2016, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 20:56:50 Robin Atwood wrote:
> > > > And the next problem:
> > > > 
> > > > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy
> > > > "kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5" have been masked.
> > > > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> > > > request: - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.7.3::gentoo
> > > > (masked
> > > > by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
> > > > - kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.6.5::gentoo (masked by:
> > > > package.mask)
> > > > 
> > > > (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-startkde-4.11.22-
> > > > r2::gentoo[wallpapers]" [installed])
> > > > (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> > > > (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> > > > 
> > > > Why does kdebase-startkde:4 want plasma-workspace-wallpapers:5? has
> > > > anyone solved this yet?
> > > 
> > > I don't know, but the ebuild calls version 5 explicitly.
> > > 
> > > What happens if you add USE=-wallpapers to startkde in package.use?
> > 
> > I wondered about that but thought I might end up with no wallpapers. :(
> 
> Well, either you can try it to see what happens, maybe putting it back
> afterwards, or you can remove that line from the ebuild - again,
> temporarily. Or try the kde-sunset overlay as Dan suggests.
> 
> It's becoming steadily harder to stick with KDE-4 in Gentoo. I gave up a
> few weeks ago, once I'd found a desktop arrangement to suit me.

Using -wallpapers worked and I still have wallpapers. 'layman -L' finds no 
kde-sunset. I suppose I will at some stage have to install KDE5 on a laptop; 
will KMail 4.4 still work?

Cheers
Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 14 Aug 2016 19:12:43 Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Sunday 14 August 2016, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Well, either you can try it to see what happens, maybe putting it back
> > afterwards, or you can remove that line from the ebuild - again,
> > temporarily. Or try the kde-sunset overlay as Dan suggests.
> > 
> > It's becoming steadily harder to stick with KDE-4 in Gentoo. I gave up a
> > few weeks ago, once I'd found a desktop arrangement to suit me.
> 
> Using -wallpapers worked and I still have wallpapers.

USE=wallpapers is not the same thing as installing a wallpapers package. It 
looks in this case as though setting the flag will cause packages to be 
installed as part of *-meta, but I dare say it's just a convenience to save 
one operation.

> 'layman -L' finds no kde-sunset.

Google suggests it's in git nowadays.

> I suppose I will at some stage have to install KDE5 on a
> laptop; will KMail 4.4 still work?

It does here, though not on a laptop - well, as well as can be expected, 
that is.

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Daniel Frey]

On 08/14/2016 05:12 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> 'layman -L' finds no kde-sunset.
> 

I had that problem too, it's not listed there.

If you want to use it, create /etc/portage/repos.conf/kde-sunset.conf
with these contents:

[kde-sunset]
auto-sync = yes
location = /var/local/overlays/kde-sunset
masters = gentoo
sync-type = git
sync-uri = https://anongit.gentoo.org/git/proj/kde-sunset.git

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Sunday 14 August 2016, Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 08/14/2016 05:12 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> > 'layman -L' finds no kde-sunset.
> 
> I had that problem too, it's not listed there.
> 
> If you want to use it, create /etc/portage/repos.conf/kde-sunset.conf
> with these contents:
> 
> [kde-sunset]
> auto-sync = yes
> location = /var/local/overlays/kde-sunset
> masters = gentoo
> sync-type = git
> sync-uri = https://anongit.gentoo.org/git/proj/kde-sunset.git
> 
> Dan

Dan-
Thanks, I will try that.

Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Monday 15 August 2016, Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Sunday 14 August 2016, Daniel Frey wrote:
> > On 08/14/2016 05:12 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> > > 'layman -L' finds no kde-sunset.
> > 
> > I had that problem too, it's not listed there.
> > 
> > If you want to use it, create /etc/portage/repos.conf/kde-sunset.conf
> > with these contents:
> > 
> > [kde-sunset]
> > auto-sync = yes
> > location = /var/local/overlays/kde-sunset
> > masters = gentoo
> > sync-type = git
> > sync-uri = https://anongit.gentoo.org/git/proj/kde-sunset.git
> > 
> > Dan
> 
> Dan-

I tried it and got:

# layman -s kde-sunset

 * Fetching remote list...
 * Fetch Ok

 * Syncing selected overlay(s)...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/api.py", line 394, in sync
    odb = db.select(ovl)
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/dbbase.py", line 260, in 
select
    raise UnknownOverlayException(overlay)
layman.dbbase.UnknownOverlayException: Exception: Overlay "kde-sunset" does 
not exist.

This is becoming a problem because now I also get when updating Gentoo:

# emerge -uDv @world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd:5" have been 
masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-5.7.5::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 
keyword)
- kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-5.7.4::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 
keyword)
- kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-5.6.5::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)

(dependency required by "kde-base/kactivities-4.13.3-r2::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "kde-apps/okular-16.04.3::gentoo[kde]" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "@selected" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])

looking at the kactivities ebuild I see:

RDEPEND="
	kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd:5
"

So KDE4 users are no longer allowed to update Gentoo?

TIA
Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Alan McKinnon]

On 17/09/2016 15:26, Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Monday 15 August 2016, Robin Atwood wrote:
> 
>> On Sunday 14 August 2016, Daniel Frey wrote:
> 
>> > On 08/14/2016 05:12 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> 
>> > > 'layman -L' finds no kde-sunset.
> 
>> >
> 
>> > I had that problem too, it's not listed there.
> 
>> >
> 
>> > If you want to use it, create /etc/portage/repos.conf/kde-sunset.conf
> 
>> > with these contents:
> 
>> >
> 
>> > [kde-sunset]
> 
>> > auto-sync = yes
> 
>> > location = /var/local/overlays/kde-sunset
> 
>> > masters = gentoo
> 
>> > sync-type = git
> 
>> > sync-uri = https://anongit.gentoo.org/git/proj/kde-sunset.git
> 
>> >
> 
>> > Dan
> 
>>
> 
>> Dan-
> 
>  
> 
> I tried it and got:
> 
>  
> 
> # layman -s kde-sunset
> 
>  
> 
> * Fetching remote list...
> 
> * Fetch Ok
> 
>  
> 
> * Syncing selected overlay(s)...
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> 
> File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/api.py", line 394, in sync
> 
> odb = db.select(ovl)
> 
> File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/dbbase.py", line 260, in
> select
> 
> raise UnknownOverlayException(overlay)
> 
> layman.dbbase.UnknownOverlayException: Exception: Overlay "kde-sunset"
> does not exist.
> 
>  
> 
> This is becoming a problem because now I also get when updating Gentoo:
> 
>  
> 
> # emerge -uDv @world
> 
>  
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
>  
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
>  
> 
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd:5" have
> been masked.
> 
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request:
> 
> - kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-5.7.5::gentoo (masked by: package.mask,
> ~amd64 keyword)
> 
> - kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-5.7.4::gentoo (masked by: package.mask,
> ~amd64 keyword)
> 
> - kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-5.6.5::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)
> 
>  
> 
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kactivities-4.13.3-r2::gentoo"
> [installed])
> 
> (dependency required by "kde-apps/okular-16.04.3::gentoo[kde]" [ebuild])
> 
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> 
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> 
>  
> 
> looking at the kactivities ebuild I see:
> 
>  
> 
> RDEPEND="
> 
> kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd:5
> 
> "
> 
>  
> 
> So KDE4 users are no longer allowed to update Gentoo?


What a peculiar odd thing to say. You might want to revisit your word
choice there. A better expression might be

"if I have KDE4 installed and don't want to have KDE5, then due to the
fact that upstream does not support KDE4 at all and that few if any
gentoo devs are interested in maintaining KDE4 ebuilds, blockers and
deps have now tipped over the edge and mathematically there is no valid
update path left. Oh dear; the devs did say if I wantot carry on using
KDE4 that bitrot will bite me. I guess that happened now."

Because that is probably what happened. You let your computer stay
static will the ecosystem moved on, and now you get to keep all the
broken bits. It sunds crude but at this point you are on your own.
Someone needs to maintain those ebuilds so that the system can continue
to work, your best choice right now for who that person is, is you.


-- 
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alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Saturday 17 September 2016, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> What a peculiar odd thing to say. You might want to revisit your word
> choice there. 

Perhaps you're right. Unfortunately I don't have the time currently to fight 
with ebuilds so I will declare my system, in IBM's immortal expression, 
"functionally stabilised"! It does everything I need it to so updates are not 
really necessary. I looked into the KDE5 upgrade recently and what I read did 
not inspire me with confidence.

Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Alan McKinnon]

On 17/09/2016 17:16, Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Saturday 17 September 2016, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>> What a peculiar odd thing to say. You might want to revisit your word
> 
>> choice there.
> 
>  
> 
> Perhaps you're right. Unfortunately I don't have the time currently to
> fight with ebuilds so I will declare my system, in IBM's immortal
> expression, "functionally stabilised"! It does everything I need it to
> so updates are not really necessary. I looked into the KDE5 upgrade
> recently and what I read did not inspire me with confidence.


KDE5 works well enough, I've been using it here for months. There are
recurring reports of icons going missing and other uber-annoying
cosmetic issues, but I find the software quite functional.

One thing KDE5 isn't though, is KDE4++ :-)

If KDE4 is really what you want, then you best stick with it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/17/2016 12:08 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 17/09/2016 17:16, Robin Atwood wrote:
>> On Saturday 17 September 2016, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>>> What a peculiar odd thing to say. You might want to revisit your word
>>
>>> choice there.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Perhaps you're right. Unfortunately I don't have the time currently to
>> fight with ebuilds so I will declare my system, in IBM's immortal
>> expression, "functionally stabilised"! It does everything I need it to
>> so updates are not really necessary. I looked into the KDE5 upgrade
>> recently and what I read did not inspire me with confidence.
> 
> 
> KDE5 works well enough, I've been using it here for months. There are
> recurring reports of icons going missing and other uber-annoying
> cosmetic issues, but I find the software quite functional.

I like to actually *use* my computer though, not fight the DE. When I
tried it months ago, plasma would crash every 10 seconds on its own.

KDE5 won't be stable until another year at the minimum. After installing
it and having the crashing (and other issues, but the main one was the
constant crashing) I had no desire to put up with a broken DE for years
like my experience with KDE4. Hell, with KDE4 it took them two years to
put back basic functionality like a fully-functional systemsettings.

> 
> One thing KDE5 isn't though, is KDE4++ :-)
> 
> If KDE4 is really what you want, then you best stick with it.
> 

It sure isn't easy though. I've stopped updating my computer and I
probably won't try KDE5 until middle next year. Hopefully by then it'll
actually be *usable*. It would have been nice if they snapshotted kde4
7-8 months ago and put the entirety in kde-sunset before messing with
ebuilds and creating cross-version dependencies.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Alan McKinnon]

On 17/09/2016 21:17, Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 09/17/2016 12:08 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 17/09/2016 17:16, Robin Atwood wrote:
>>> On Saturday 17 September 2016, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>
>>>> What a peculiar odd thing to say. You might want to revisit your word
>>>
>>>> choice there.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Perhaps you're right. Unfortunately I don't have the time currently to
>>> fight with ebuilds so I will declare my system, in IBM's immortal
>>> expression, "functionally stabilised"! It does everything I need it to
>>> so updates are not really necessary. I looked into the KDE5 upgrade
>>> recently and what I read did not inspire me with confidence.
>>
>>
>> KDE5 works well enough, I've been using it here for months. There are
>> recurring reports of icons going missing and other uber-annoying
>> cosmetic issues, but I find the software quite functional.
> 
> I like to actually *use* my computer though, not fight the DE. When I
> tried it months ago, plasma would crash every 10 seconds on its own.


Honestly, that sounds like you're projecting experiences of long ago
onto the present.

I haven't had a plasma crash in MONTHS, which falsifies everything you
say below....



> 
> KDE5 won't be stable until another year at the minimum. After installing
> it and having the crashing (and other issues, but the main one was the
> constant crashing) I had no desire to put up with a broken DE for years
> like my experience with KDE4. Hell, with KDE4 it took them two years to
> put back basic functionality like a fully-functional systemsettings.
> 
>>
>> One thing KDE5 isn't though, is KDE4++ :-)
>>
>> If KDE4 is really what you want, then you best stick with it.
>>
> 
> It sure isn't easy though. I've stopped updating my computer and I
> probably won't try KDE5 until middle next year. Hopefully by then it'll
> actually be *usable*. It would have been nice if they snapshotted kde4
> 7-8 months ago and put the entirety in kde-sunset before messing with
> ebuilds and creating cross-version dependencies.
> 
> Dan
> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Saturday 17 September 2016, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 17/09/2016 15:26, Robin Atwood wrote:
> > On Monday 15 August 2016, Robin Atwood wrote:
> >> On Sunday 14 August 2016, Daniel Frey wrote:
> >> > On 08/14/2016 05:12 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> >> > > 'layman -L' finds no kde-sunset.
> >> > 
> >> > I had that problem too, it's not listed there.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > If you want to use it, create /etc/portage/repos.conf/kde-sunset.conf
> >> > 
> >> > with these contents:
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > [kde-sunset]
> >> > 
> >> > auto-sync = yes
> >> > 
> >> > location = /var/local/overlays/kde-sunset
> >> > 
> >> > masters = gentoo
> >> > 
> >> > sync-type = git
> >> > 
> >> > sync-uri = https://anongit.gentoo.org/git/proj/kde-sunset.git
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Dan
> >> 
> >> Dan-
> > 
> > I tried it and got:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > # layman -s kde-sunset
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > * Fetching remote list...
> > 
> > * Fetch Ok
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > * Syncing selected overlay(s)...
> > 
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > 
> > File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/api.py", line 394, in
> > sync
> > 
> > odb = db.select(ovl)
> > 
> > File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/dbbase.py", line 260, in
> > select
> > 
> > raise UnknownOverlayException(overlay)
> > 
> > layman.dbbase.UnknownOverlayException: Exception: Overlay "kde-sunset"
> > does not exist.

Anybody got any idea what the problem with kde-sunset is?

Thanks
Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[konsolebox]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Robin Atwood <robin@binro.org> wrote:
> On Saturday 17 September 2016, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> On 17/09/2016 15:26, Robin Atwood wrote:
>
>> > On Monday 15 August 2016, Robin Atwood wrote:
>
>> >> On Sunday 14 August 2016, Daniel Frey wrote:
>
>> >> > On 08/14/2016 05:12 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
>
>> >> > > 'layman -L' finds no kde-sunset.
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > I had that problem too, it's not listed there.
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > If you want to use it, create /etc/portage/repos.conf/kde-sunset.conf
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > with these contents:
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > [kde-sunset]
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > auto-sync = yes
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > location = /var/local/overlays/kde-sunset
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > masters = gentoo
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > sync-type = git
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > sync-uri = https://anongit.gentoo.org/git/proj/kde-sunset.git
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >> > Dan
>
>> >>
>
>> >> Dan-
>
>> >
>
>> > I tried it and got:
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> > # layman -s kde-sunset
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> > * Fetching remote list...
>
>> >
>
>> > * Fetch Ok
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> > * Syncing selected overlay(s)...
>
>> >
>
>> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>
>> >
>
>> > File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/api.py", line 394, in
>
>> > sync
>
>> >
>
>> > odb = db.select(ovl)
>
>> >
>
>> > File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/layman/dbbase.py", line 260, in
>
>> > select
>
>> >
>
>> > raise UnknownOverlayException(overlay)
>
>> >
>
>> > layman.dbbase.UnknownOverlayException: Exception: Overlay "kde-sunset"
>
>> > does not exist.
>
>
>
> Anybody got any idea what the problem with kde-sunset is?

Custom repositories listed in /etc/portage/repos.conf/ are
synchronized with `emerge --sync`.  `kde-sunset` is not in layman.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

[Robin Atwood]

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On Tuesday 20 September 2016, konsolebox wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Robin Atwood <robin@binro.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Anybody got any idea what the problem with kde-sunset is?
> 
> Custom repositories listed in /etc/portage/repos.conf/ are
> synchronized with `emerge --sync`.  `kde-sunset` is not in layman.

Thanks, that did the trick. Still get the update/world error but never mind. 

Robin
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