Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] How to be a penguin.

[Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>]

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On Sun, 29 May 2016 08:13:03 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> You know what? fuck you.  That's what.

Helpful, really helpful.

> Packages are being updated at such a breakneck pace these days that it
> simply isn't humanly possible to review these manually, or even do
> anything intelligent if I tried.

Indeed, looking at the output of emerge -a before hitting enter is sooo
demanding.

> Then emerge
> got ornery and stopped letting the necessary, cathartic, inevitable,
> trainwreck take place, which is actually a good thing because the

You really think that breaking people's systems is a good thing?

> DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK I'M THAT STUPID??? SERIOUSLY????

I'll let others form their own opinions on this.

> > Furthermore, the current portage doesn't require the revdep-rebuild
> > step because
> > of the @preserved-rebuild set creation.  
> 
> That missfeature is incompatible with how I use my system. I have not
> reformatted my hard drive in six years.

Only six years? I am using installations that are older than that, even
if the hard drives aren't.

> The principle way I accomplish that is by prohibiting the growth of
> cruft in the system. I cannot tolerate the accumulation of back versions
> anywhere in the system except where absolutely necessary. So if it is
> possible to re-build broken packages against new versions, I demand that
> take place
> as quickly as possible such that the system is left in the most pristine
> and self-consistent state possible. --- secret of immortality, dude. =\

So a clean but broken system is preferable to having a few older
versions of libraries hanging around for half and hour, until they can be
safely, and automatically, removed?

Anyway, it seems you are well out of date in your understanding of how
portage works. preserved-rebuild is rarely needed these days, thanks to
the mysteries of subslots, which can do the necessary rebuilding at the
point of upgrade.

> You
> dumb.
> shit.
> 
> You literally have no fucking clue do you?

You seem to be echoing the thoughts of so many others here.
 
> Do you think I enabled that missfeature they introduced a few years ago
> that hid all of the build output so all I got to see was
> 
> installing package (1/400)
> installing package (2/400)
> installing package (3/400)

It's an options, use it or don't use it. If you really want your updates
to take longer just so you can see all the GCC output, which makes
little sense anyway when MAKEOPTS is set to anything but -j1.
Personally, I prefer the Unix approach of succeed quietly, fail noisily.
If I see compiler output on my monitor, i know something is wrong.
 
> I am typing this on my smaller monitor because I have the full verbose
> build process fullscreen on my 24". That's right, for the last 12 years,
> I have watched every single build take place in live time because I've
> watched it execute every single compiler invocation, I have watched
> every error and warning message.

What a sad life you must have. Watching compiler output is even more
tedious than reading Twitter!
 
> I do not need log files because I watch everything in live time.

And you retain everything you see and never need to refer back to what
scrolled off the screen ten minutes ago?

> By
> doing this, I have learned things about my packages that you fucking
> dipshits couldn't imagine. Back before when Gentoo jumped the shark
> (tried to force everyone onto libav), the system was completely
> self-correcting, If the system set was intact, literally every other
> problem would self correct. I didn't need to rant on this list because
> everything was perfect.

> The problem is that the portage people don't understand how the packages
> actually work

So there's the problem, all the Gentoo devs are dipshits, as well as all
of us. No wonder Gentoo is such a pile of steaming shite. I'm completely
flabbergasted that you still consider it worth using.

> It wouldn't let me do that because it was throwing a conflict message
> for libreoffice so I was forced to temporarily uninstall it to clear a
> block message, fuck you again portage...

Have you read the emerge and portage man pages anytime in the last five
years?

> IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

What measures how stupid you act?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

What do you have when you have six lawyers buried up to their necks in
sand? Not enough sand.

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