From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CD059CB1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36C9121C054; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A286B21C021 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tp.fritz.box ([88.74.80.197]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M8ZtH-1blb2642KJ-00wELi for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:10:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:10:10 +0200 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing Message-ID: <20160412201010.GA16313@tp.fritz.box> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <570C89C0.3060807@gmail.com> <570C8BBE.2060103@gmail.com> <570C9E0F.7070805@gmail.com> <1994596.hHob6hsXYm@andromeda> <570D3CB1.8030607@gmail.com> <20160412195334.7fe86ea8@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160412195334.7fe86ea8@digimed.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt 1.5.24, VIM - Vi IMproved 7.4 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:VD8/285x4yk/MRvFlO97JUgbYnQ51duwFDnzPWyDqRp1t5gw2GI 6DzLuMZQpRUi2AdGSBvvftxIo4EnkXIvG/8mt/cEe7+GtgQKW7V1CrcpTfCXrJyXUlgBhfA lRU4gGL7IJVQEAy9tE5ltZFtQnED8b4RkYrr3a+ewOTqMJjg3qnwbRtNHKNBRgZGFxM/bHF zZVfkf3BOvhmW8/TWibQw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:o74IJ3F30xU=:nlPaskdXAAXz9qDlfAmOCm aSrold4Hhrp5srHl1fdYeMM2B3DwduoYILgDqoaT3Uz3gcCcebtFDiSeHpHqfVdu2mGD658yJ aAPMlrIQORU4OwYKaNuL3c/clrMro3Li86zhwlAUuKx9Cw4mrG6KNhMXya4HM/6uZsgW+iZdj cbaeIUkmtzX09Rk3XHpmJ1P620ZaX7tbcHtqjg6AuKS9zPR1Vr4tPF1CkcJnm3aZZURMA/S+W FzuUbkDWyyNGDcPDeQpp3KawrKCkvXYQGA687LYrvd2Po077WXXK3XbAJM8cqP9cV+kZXPp+P jzY/tVl7pYcj8kUCBRSWIp0CGSZLVISnvfY+o3v5QxAcqBR2mEskhfZft6TsSjT1MKjwruuau vvrqNN329X7z+bER7GqDrO3sjqtJ2RwDJ/Wcohto7A3jO5kTh9GSfgXYYnRAZ607qBhT5DON4 TI2HbhOIAJD3cMo1J2zS2zRP3UpkqgK8o0MoFtMrm/tWSm/tGboZ3wkP941oCxOF7roKC1XHf FPTRpaqURWuVdezDN755EJKRtE9O3qof0YCUkNMvzeq9ijo8+1LOTw7RTyUp08MrpVfd7y9mH onIqFdiizl/3MSdmfL8QVPzKoKiWgGqp2iTJiTJQTfle2a/Uq5hqkc5MdaeZWbao4Z8PMnMtl 9xJI6DGW6GZH6q/vNyOGCjISOo1DlIViPxQaMMsOeYD9aLJspW4kVBDa2AlZ0PulIXpKNFKHG P+mHkCTe6iYhk08kHQfvRFpdH3LFmTGKgR0TqelhQw39kpsbk5mxFVOT9Bo= X-Archives-Salt: f73424da-5e6c-4057-bd67-b6f4a0c87e98 X-Archives-Hash: 8f9896f4adfab66f9d3c86e1167a95b2 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:53:34PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:21:37 -0500, Dale wrote: A while ago I set up a VM in which I can observe KDE 5 as it matures. Right now I find it not yet usable, mostly because many things are not yet ported and because of random crashes of plasma. (And I too find Breeze too much space-consuming, plus there are those single-colour icons that are clearly inspired by Spysoft Windows 10). Oh well, in the early days of KDE 4 I was a huge fan of KDE 3=E2=80=99s Cry= stal icons, and now I really like Oxygen. It is always a question of getting used to change. But those thin, colourless, sometimes abstract lines really make it more difficult to recognise stuff, making it also a UX issue. > > Oh, I had to switch to sddm for this too. You just change the setting > > from kdm to sddm and it just works. It looks different but it works > > fine. That may have carried over some settings. It selected the user > > and was ready for my password just like kdm did. Again, it looks > > different but it seems to work the same. I suspect one could adjust the > > settings, somewhere, and make it look like kdm if they wanted to. > > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my laptop it > works more or less as expected, but on my desktop, selecting reboot or > power off from the desktop drops me back to sddm without rebooting. I don't particularly like SDDM. I does not allow me to log in using just the keyboard, I always have to click into the password field after it loaded up. The field is neither active by default nor can I select it with Tab. Call it a nitpick, but even Windows lets me enter my password without a mouse. Is it a problem with my VM or can you confirm this? This would more belong to a KDE forum, but since I=E2=80=99m at it, I can j= ust as well blurb it here. :) I have a similar argument about the new cascading (=E2=80=9Cold-style=E2=80= =9D) Application menu in KDE 5: In KDE 4, I can access any item in the Leave menu (and any other submenu, for that matter) with Alt+F1 and two letters (as long as they get a shortcut letter assigned). This is not possible anymore due to the new search field. Well, my argument is a bit self-contradicting because in KDE 3 SuSE hat a similar search field in the menu and back then I actually liked that. But nowadays we have KRunner for searching. The cascading menu is perfect for fast keyboard-based navigation using the starting letter. And even though I don=E2=80=99t use the favorites feature myself, those are also not accessib= le with the keyboard at all. --=20 Gru=C3=9F | Greetings | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any social network. =E2=80=9CA computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open Windows.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 Linus Torvalds --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXDVYiAAoJEIsxvrVA1DDK38cP+QESVo9dTfskZvpXgAJJNv5a yjwkbo/woKeNj4R5V541vrDGrMQw9y+GDJuhHy6xO4r1uJqkqYCR9qRsK39cdoLt yeW5dha4UrtGI4oSldgMZ+h+1rk3yFtUnvhFPiZ0D+RWXYRy3CFYj4k+ZRtZezqK 2Kff1ZXvlKt46FEp32reiQqCEvc8QpIZS5/SrTfM9xhI30yN4zu51UaCMLyVe70a QtR89v1AX0Vq4CEX++bqhP3jI9+PC25a3kqs0vNZ/tUeLlEGM0TEY+WbhncPv3Fx EuBeSZkEXJfq4CQGyIroKzqG4kNx+T8078LyA2FPxSxAHoRLU+WJohwx6ovMkLKB o/hsPXEwfWct22Yuci7O4jgikBPyuwQDvWyGLFKy9AbCaKn3OW8031ts28Yhywof yYyE3Gx3Hp1j+4AdBND+lwk6hxTmixPILifzRPSjgvzUXzT3hA4uUIfvrbzP1Pun dnuYfxTjUX3IYnZ66dLtW4rEaDqyXSJRZESl5LGpAFpg4BofkO9EJMogeD7jLObM AMqvezRWWgHo95qXxqnZJiXu1+L1CfMgQIqBOm0HnVq3gBpDDD8ohiKX2v7tRGc4 aGt1xgmlRIph38qM9IzGylmkF8rUc2k8WDJTRYaJXWN0D4mRIqf22Gk621rWUPck u9RmG7+hnXnPYbTucxCs =M5hD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC--