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[Julio Garcia Merlano]

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Dale]

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Julio Garcia Merlano wrote:
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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[cinder]

On Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 02:07:04PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Julio Garcia Merlano wrote:
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> You may want to try this instead:
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> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)  
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> 

Hello. I'm not sure what these messages mean. I have changed my email
provider. gmail says my client, mutt, is a security risk and can no
longer connect wit it. So I have unsubscribed from the list with that
account and the subscribed again with my new account. I followed the
freeburner.google.com link but the page said "Are you sure you wish
to end your email subscription to:“Descargar Libros PDF Gratis”.
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Philip Webb]

151207 cinder wrote:
> Gmail says my client Mutt is a security risk and can no longer connect w it.

Mutt should not be a security risk ! 
You may need to configure some encryption to use Gmail.

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[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[»Q«]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:40:43 -0500
Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> 151207 cinder wrote:
> > Gmail says my client Mutt is a security risk and can no longer
> > connect w it.  
> 
> Mutt should not be a security risk ! 
> You may need to configure some encryption to use Gmail.

Gmail by default locks out any client that doesn't use OAuth 2.0,
which AIUI is most of them.  Somewhere in Gmail's web interface is a
setting to allow other clients to connect.  IIRC the text is something
like "allow less secure clients to connect to your Gmail account".

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Mick]

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On Monday 07 Dec 2015 16:40:43 Philip Webb wrote:
> 151207 cinder wrote:
> > Gmail says my client Mutt is a security risk and can no longer connect w
> > it.
> 
> Mutt should not be a security risk !
> You may need to configure some encryption to use Gmail.

Gmail has introduced its own method of two stage authentication and 
unilaterally decided to describe IMAP4 fully compliant client applications as 
"less secure apps".  They are by no means less secure, just because they do 
not delegate the second stage of IMAP4 authentication to a browser.  Google 
may want to move us all to using a browser, but thankfully we still have a 
choice.

As far as I know Thunderbird is a "more secure app" because it delegates OAuth 
to Firefox, but other clients which do not integrate with a browser will not.

The solution is to enable access by "less secure apps" in one's Gmail account 
security settings.

Alternatively, I think there is a kludge whereby you can obtain a token and 
send this via your mail client to Gmail - but I am not sure about the 
mechanics of this.


To the OP:  to unsubscribe from this Mailing List, click on the URL that Dale 
provided using the email account with which you had originally subscribed to 
the Mailing List.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[cinder]

Woops! Sorry, I miss read the post. It had nothing to with me. I'm not
used to reading mail in a terminal:) I'll have to figure out how to get
rid of the advetisingr, or maybe thats the deal with a free account:(

Philip Webb wrote:
>Mutt should not be a security risk !

I don't doubt mutt for a moment:)

»Q« wrote:
>Gmail by default locks out any client that doesn't use OAuth 2.0,
>which AIUI is most of them.  Somewhere in Gmail's web interface is a
>setting to allow other clients to connect.  IIRC the text is something
>like "allow less secure clients to connect to your Gmail account".

I thought there might be a way. But seems kinda unfreindly. Maybe I'll
have to that if I can't get rid the add stuck on the end of my mail.
Thanks

cinder

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Alan McKinnon]

On 08/12/2015 18:29, cinder wrote:
> Woops! Sorry, I miss read the post. It had nothing to with me. I'm not
> used to reading mail in a terminal:) I'll have to figure out how to get
> rid of the advetisingr, or maybe thats the deal with a free account:(
> 
> Philip Webb wrote:
>> Mutt should not be a security risk !
> 
> I don't doubt mutt for a moment:)
> 
> »Q« wrote:
>> Gmail by default locks out any client that doesn't use OAuth 2.0,
>> which AIUI is most of them.  Somewhere in Gmail's web interface is a
>> setting to allow other clients to connect.  IIRC the text is something
>> like "allow less secure clients to connect to your Gmail account".
> 
> I thought there might be a way. But seems kinda unfreindly. Maybe I'll
> have to that if I can't get rid the add stuck on the end of my mail.



Allow me to translate the Google-speak:

"less secure mail app" really means "a really shitty auth method that
isn't our (Google's) auth method". So click the (rather well-hidden)
button in Gmail's interface and go back to the really shitty auth method
we all used just fine for 10+ years already.




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[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[walt]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:00:20 +0200
Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Allow me to translate the Google-speak:
> 
> "less secure mail app" really means "a really shitty auth method that
> isn't our (Google's) auth method". So click the (rather well-hidden)
> button in Gmail's interface and go back to the really shitty auth
> method we all used just fine for 10+ years already.

Sounds like it's still grumpy Scotsman day.

This is a test email to discover if you really have a gmail account,
and, if so, how often you check it for new email.

I'll be happy to explain the origin of "grumpy Scotsman" if this test
succeeds.

-- 
Visualize a clever sig from Neil here

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/12/2015 02:08, walt wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:00:20 +0200
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Allow me to translate the Google-speak:
>>
>> "less secure mail app" really means "a really shitty auth method that
>> isn't our (Google's) auth method". So click the (rather well-hidden)
>> button in Gmail's interface and go back to the really shitty auth
>> method we all used just fine for 10+ years already.
> 
> Sounds like it's still grumpy Scotsman day.
> 
> This is a test email to discover if you really have a gmail account,
> and, if so, how often you check it for new email.
> 
> I'll be happy to explain the origin of "grumpy Scotsman" if this test
> succeeds.
> 

Hello walt,

Yes it's me and this is a valid account, it's in constant use.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Mick]

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On Thursday 10 Dec 2015 06:51:45 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 10/12/2015 02:08, walt wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:00:20 +0200
> > 
> > Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Allow me to translate the Google-speak:
> >> 
> >> "less secure mail app" really means "a really shitty auth method that
> >> isn't our (Google's) auth method". So click the (rather well-hidden)
> >> button in Gmail's interface and go back to the really shitty auth
> >> method we all used just fine for 10+ years already.
> > 
> > Sounds like it's still grumpy Scotsman day.
> > 
> > This is a test email to discover if you really have a gmail account,
> > and, if so, how often you check it for new email.
> > 
> > I'll be happy to explain the origin of "grumpy Scotsman" if this test
> > succeeds.
> 
> Hello walt,
> 
> Yes it's me and this is a valid account, it's in constant use.

OK, this must be a good 2FA then?  ;-)

Walt's test worked for me too.

I wouldn't say that the old auth method is sh*tty as Alan asserts, but Google 
in their wisdom wanted to deal with all sort of new apps authenticating with 
user credentials into their mail servers, without revealing to intermediaries 
(e.g. ISPs, hackers, app server admins) the Google user credentials.  They 
could have done this by adding CRAM, SCRAM, et al. in their POP3/IMAP4/SMTP 
authentication, rather than keeping AUTH=PLAIN, but instead they chose to 
follow MSoft's embrace-extend-extinguish strategy by creating their own 
tokenising standard over https.  In other words, using time honoured mail 
client protocols alone is not good enough for Google and you have to use a 
browser as well.  Of course, we all know how <aheam!> secure browsers are.

The world is changing from classic mail clients and protocols to mobile apps, 
mobile apps running on (proxy) servers in foreign countries and an awful lot 
of bad code, which can be exploited.  There may be cleverer ways to resolve 
this problem, while still adhering to mail protocols, but Google has decided 
to move us all to a protocol (http) where they reign supreme.
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Regards,
Mick

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[walt]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 07:31:11 +0000
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 10 Dec 2015 06:51:45 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 10/12/2015 02:08, walt wrote:  

> > > Sounds like it's still grumpy Scotsman day.
> > > 
> > > This is a test email to discover if you really have a gmail
> > > account, and, if so, how often you check it for new email.
> > > 
> > > I'll be happy to explain the origin of "grumpy Scotsman" if this
> > > test succeeds.  
> > 
> > Hello walt,
> > 
> > Yes it's me and this is a valid account, it's in constant use.  
> 
> OK, this must be a good 2FA then?  ;-)

I thought I was sending an email to Alan but I was wrong.  I apologize
to Alan and to all gentoo users.

But, seriously, why do we keep making the same errers?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:49:24 -0800, walt wrote:

> But, seriously, why do we keep making the same errers?

Because it's less effort than coming up with new ones.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Law of Mechanical Repair: After your hands become coated with
grease, your nose will begin to itch.

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