From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D5013881D for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D44321C03C; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB6221C00E for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (yooden.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.6]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B46F5194EE8 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 17:28:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 17:28:49 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] update problems Message-ID: <20150926172849.1bdba77e@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <87zj09cmr8.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> References: <87eghucic9.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <55FDBE16.1070404@gmail.com> <874mipcgm9.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <2096705.7mWRWRVp3b@eve> <87zj09cmr8.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0-88-gd46367 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/I41Bq1IGbBa2AckV9TPA4Pc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: b0454dad-3d2b-4531-ad41-0197a186e363 X-Archives-Hash: 6cee25978b8ee6b2bd49c6ef4e5e040d --Sig_/I41Bq1IGbBa2AckV9TPA4Pc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:51:07 +0200, lee wrote: > + need to rebuild (large) packages (like libreoffice) which I expect to > be upgraded and thus get rebuilt later anyway (to keep the package > management happy because it cannot figure this out for us and give us > a choice to upgrade these (large) packages as well while we are at > it), They need to be rebuilt because a package they used has updated with a changed API, poppler is the usual culprit here. It's an issue with all distros, but for the binary one it's only an issue for the devs, they build a set of packages that work together and you get to install them. If a poppler update requires a new libreoffice package, the usual choice is to skip the new poppler until a new LO is released. =20 > + have to do other things to keep the system up to date we somehow don't > know about, like 'emerge -a --changed-deps=3Dy @world' (because the > package management doesn't really know how to update the whole system > to begin with (because it's so complicated))? It's not that it is complicated but time-consuming. Options like --changed-deps and --with-bdeps upgrade packages that don't really need it, so why enable them by default. They not only increase the time needed to compile everything but slow down portage's dependency resolution. --=20 Neil Bothwick Favorite Windoze game: Guess what this icon does? --Sig_/I41Bq1IGbBa2AckV9TPA4Pc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlYGx8EACgkQum4al0N1GQOwVwCgjO09E7rDu1cS/yCEfktTvxsJ NZwAoLtVp0/vunQAn2f+g/QJkqb60NAA =IGFK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/I41Bq1IGbBa2AckV9TPA4Pc--