From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0826B139894 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBC8414225; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9471F141F7 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3120120097 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:35:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=ORKO4Qrt5i8Wj9Wl9N6iBCyCWqQ=; b=J9oBI gl8KF1frcL8mfCD5FybunLKDAPZNtS8DQ9Om99er/1hLAYAlAK0EpfmHnLmzaGw/ HfK9lh9mt4Ehz5knOWe1BSTccYkkdYBm+kZ6gIkI7kiqZDCTtXZFt554U7LQ2HGs KK9/0sdNFEp2tuCDbCbU2hn4Bsn1mfVZrefblE= X-Sasl-enc: uYMfhwgTv6zyDunqnw5NPPRw62yf34SBjZNDbTZTo6n0 1440423325 Received: from apio.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu (0587385626.wireless.umich.net [35.2.203.26]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D4EE86800C7; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:35:21 -0400 From: Alec Ten Harmsel To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim Message-ID: <20150824133521.GA622@apio.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu> References: <87lhd1ig1t.fsf@reader.local.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Archives-Salt: 40e7eec0-0264-4f59-a016-7edf8e4a9ea0 X-Archives-Hash: 7101ab4db6fc7d9a9e7160e1d1cb032b On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 08:41:48AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > And a note to everybody else on the list: take it easy on the poor > guy. People used to other distros are used to doing things like > blowing away their installs every other year with a fresh install. > Release-based distros get people used to this kind of nonsense, and > the idea that FOSS comes on a shiny DVD. Portage's error messages > don't always help in this regard. Of course any Gentoo user has to be > willing to take the time to learn some of the nuts and bolts to keep > things running, but when it is obvious somebody doesn't understand > what they're doing we can educate rather than just point it out. That's fine, we could all be a bit nicer. That said, if someone wants a distro that is fast and easy to install (which is perfectly valid to want; I use plenty of them on a daily basis), it is important to point out that Gentoo is neither fast nor extremely easy to install. Alec