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* [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
@ 2015-06-14 13:40 João Matos
  2015-06-14 13:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: João Matos @ 2015-06-14 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Hi list,

I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying to get gentoo
running on it.

I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot one first.

I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:

efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo" --loader
"\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"

seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I select it, the
windows start (second boot).

The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call /dev/sda7
of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a separate /boot. Its
everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this path is ok.

This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on my system. But
I've also tried grub2, and got the following error:

"grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."

What should I do?

Thank you,

-- 
João Neto
Linux User #461527
http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 13:40 [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI João Matos
@ 2015-06-14 13:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
  2015-06-14 14:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2015-06-14 14:30 ` Mick
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Canek Peláez Valdés @ 2015-06-14 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:40 AM, João Matos <jaoneto@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying to get gentoo
running on it.
>
> I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot one first.
>
> I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:
>
> efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo" --loader
"\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"
>
> seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I select it,
the windows start (second boot).
>
> The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call
/dev/sda7 of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a separate
/boot. Its everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this path is ok.
>
> This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on my system.
But I've also tried grub2, and got the following error:
>
> "grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."
>
> What should I do?

Have you tried gummiboot? AFAIR, it's a simple matter of doing:

gummiboot --path=/boot install

/boot should be yout EFI System Partition (ESP).

Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 13:40 [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI João Matos
  2015-06-14 13:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
@ 2015-06-14 14:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2015-06-14 14:09   ` João Matos
  2015-06-14 14:30 ` Mick
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2015-06-14 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Am 14.06.2015 um 15:40 schrieb João Matos:
> Hi list,
>
> I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying to get
> gentoo running on it.
>
> I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot one first.
>
> I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:
>
> efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo" --loader
> "\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"
>
> seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I select it,
> the windows start (second boot).
>
> The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call
> /dev/sda7 of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a separate
> /boot. Its everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this path is ok.
>
> This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on my
> system. But I've also tried grub2, and got the following error: 
>
> "grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."
>
> What should I do?
>
> Thank you, 
>
> -- 
> João Neto
> Linux User #461527
> http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552

so you don't have an efi boot partition?

That would be your answer.

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 14:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2015-06-14 14:09   ` João Matos
  2015-06-14 14:25     ` Mick
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: João Matos @ 2015-06-14 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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2015-06-14 11:02 GMT-03:00 Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
:

>  Am 14.06.2015 um 15:40 schrieb João Matos:
>
> Hi list,
>
>  I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying to get
> gentoo running on it.
>
>  I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot one first.
>
>  I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:
>
>  efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo" --loader
> "\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"
>
>  seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I select it,
> the windows start (second boot).
>
>  The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call
> /dev/sda7 of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a separate
> /boot. Its everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this path is ok.
>
>  This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on my system.
> But I've also tried grub2, and got the following error:
>
>  "grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."
>
>  What should I do?
>
>  Thank you,
>
>  --
>  João Neto
> Linux User #461527
> http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552
>
>
> so you don't have an efi boot partition?
>
> That would be your answer.
>

Volker, the efi is already working for Windows. I just want to create a new
entry. Is it really necessary to create a new partition?


-- 
João Neto
Linux User #461527
http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 14:09   ` João Matos
@ 2015-06-14 14:25     ` Mick
  2015-06-14 14:30       ` João Matos
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2015-06-14 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 15:09:33 João Matos wrote:
> 2015-06-14 11:02 GMT-03:00 Volker Armin Hemmann
> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
> 
> >  Am 14.06.2015 um 15:40 schrieb João Matos:
> > Hi list,
> > 
> >  I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying to get
> > 
> > gentoo running on it.
> > 
> >  I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot one first.
> >  
> >  I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:
> >  
> >  efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo" --loader
> > 
> > "\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"
> > 
> >  seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I select it,
> > 
> > the windows start (second boot).
> > 
> >  The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call
> > 
> > /dev/sda7 of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a separate
> > /boot. Its everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this path is ok.
> > 
> >  This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on my system.
> > 
> > But I've also tried grub2, and got the following error:
> >  "grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."
> >  
> >  What should I do?
> >  
> >  Thank you,
> >  
> >  --
> >  João Neto
> > 
> > Linux User #461527
> > http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552
> > 
> > 
> > so you don't have an efi boot partition?
> > 
> > That would be your answer.
> 
> Volker, the efi is already working for Windows. I just want to create a new
> entry. Is it really necessary to create a new partition?

Can you please tell us what this shows:

gdisk -l /dev/sda

or 

fdisk -l

assuming that /dev/sda is your drive.

If you are multibooting then gummiboot would be advisable, but GRUB will work 
too.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 14:25     ` Mick
@ 2015-06-14 14:30       ` João Matos
  2015-06-14 14:36         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2015-06-14 15:17         ` Mick
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: João Matos @ 2015-06-14 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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/ # gdisk -l /dev/sda
GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.0

Partition table scan:
  MBR: protective
  BSD: not present
  APM: not present
  GPT: present

Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
Disk /dev/sda: 976773168 sectors, 465.8 GiB
Logical sector size: 512 bytes
Disk identifier (GUID): 757FFCA9-0B35-4AC3-BA77-B935FBBC57C9
Partition table holds up to 128 entries
First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 976773134
Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries
Total free space is 4029 sectors (2.0 MiB)

Number  Start (sector)    End (sector)  Size       Code  Name
   1            2048         1026047   500.0 MiB   EF00  EFI system
partition
   2         1026048         1107967   40.0 MiB    FFFF  Basic data
partition
   3         1107968         1370111   128.0 MiB   0C01  Microsoft reserved
...
   4         1370112         2906111   750.0 MiB   2700  Basic data
partition
   5         2906112       127477759   59.4 GiB    0700  Basic data
partition
   6       961155072       976771119   7.4 GiB     2700  Microsoft recovery
...
   7       127477760       227518463   47.7 GiB    8300
   8       227518464       247998463   9.8 GiB     8300
   9       247998464       961155071   340.1 GiB   0700

2015-06-14 11:25 GMT-03:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:

> On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 15:09:33 João Matos wrote:
> > 2015-06-14 11:02 GMT-03:00 Volker Armin Hemmann
> > <volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
> >
> > >  Am 14.06.2015 um 15:40 schrieb João Matos:
> > > Hi list,
> > >
> > >  I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying to get
> > >
> > > gentoo running on it.
> > >
> > >  I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot one first.
> > >
> > >  I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:
> > >
> > >  efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo" --loader
> > >
> > > "\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"
> > >
> > >  seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I select it,
> > >
> > > the windows start (second boot).
> > >
> > >  The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call
> > >
> > > /dev/sda7 of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a separate
> > > /boot. Its everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this path is
> ok.
> > >
> > >  This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on my
> system.
> > >
> > > But I've also tried grub2, and got the following error:
> > >  "grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."
> > >
> > >  What should I do?
> > >
> > >  Thank you,
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  João Neto
> > >
> > > Linux User #461527
> > > http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552
> > >
> > >
> > > so you don't have an efi boot partition?
> > >
> > > That would be your answer.
> >
> > Volker, the efi is already working for Windows. I just want to create a
> new
> > entry. Is it really necessary to create a new partition?
>
> Can you please tell us what this shows:
>
> gdisk -l /dev/sda
>
> or
>
> fdisk -l
>
> assuming that /dev/sda is your drive.
>
> If you are multibooting then gummiboot would be advisable, but GRUB will
> work
> too.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>



-- 
João Neto
Linux User #461527
http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 13:40 [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI João Matos
  2015-06-14 13:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
  2015-06-14 14:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2015-06-14 14:30 ` Mick
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2015-06-14 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 14:40:40 João Matos wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying to get gentoo
> running on it.
> 
> I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot one first.
> 
> I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:
> 
> efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo" --loader
> "\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"
> 
> seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I select it, the
> windows start (second boot).

I think you have confused the too partitions EFI and /boot.


> The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call /dev/sda7
> of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a separate /boot. Its
> everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this path is ok.

Your EFI boot code will jump to the FAT32 EFI partition.  In all likelihood 
this is /dev/sda1.  Unless you have some boot manager in there to point to 
your Linux partition at /dev/sda7 you will only boot what the EFI partition 
bootx64.efi code offers.  Presently the bootx64.efi in the EFI partition is 
the MSWindows boot code.  Create a back up if you intend to mess about with 
this, or you will need to use a MSWindows CD to recreate it with.


> This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on my system. But
> I've also tried grub2, and got the following error:
> 
> "grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."

Clearly it can't find the appropriate EFI partition.  Have you mounted it?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 14:30       ` João Matos
@ 2015-06-14 14:36         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2015-06-14 15:17         ` Mick
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2015-06-14 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Am 14.06.2015 um 16:30 schrieb João Matos:
> / # gdisk -l /dev/sda
> GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.0
>
> Partition table scan:
>   MBR: protective
>   BSD: not present
>   APM: not present
>   GPT: present
>
> Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
> Disk /dev/sda: 976773168 sectors, 465.8 GiB
> Logical sector size: 512 bytes
> Disk identifier (GUID): 757FFCA9-0B35-4AC3-BA77-B935FBBC57C9
> Partition table holds up to 128 entries
> First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 976773134
> Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries
> Total free space is 4029 sectors (2.0 MiB)
>
> Number  Start (sector)    End (sector)  Size       Code  Name
>    1            2048         1026047   500.0 MiB   EF00  EFI system
> partition
>    2         1026048         1107967   40.0 MiB    FFFF  Basic data
> partition
>    3         1107968         1370111   128.0 MiB   0C01  Microsoft
> reserved ...
>    4         1370112         2906111   750.0 MiB   2700  Basic data
> partition
>    5         2906112       127477759   59.4 GiB    0700  Basic data
> partition
>    6       961155072       976771119   7.4 GiB     2700  Microsoft
> recovery ...
>    7       127477760       227518463   47.7 GiB    8300  
>    8       227518464       247998463   9.8 GiB     8300  
>    9       247998464       961155071   340.1 GiB   0700  
>
> 2015-06-14 11:25 GMT-03:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com
> <mailto:michaelkintzios@gmail.com>>:
>
>     On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 15:09:33 João Matos wrote:
>     > 2015-06-14 11:02 GMT-03:00 Volker Armin Hemmann
>     > <volkerarmin@googlemail.com <mailto:volkerarmin@googlemail.com>>
>     >
>     > >  Am 14.06.2015 um 15:40 schrieb João Matos:
>     > > Hi list,
>     > >
>     > >  I've bought me a ultrabook dell vostro 5470, and I'm trying
>     to get
>     > >
>     > > gentoo running on it.
>     > >
>     > >  I'm having a few problems, but I'd like to correct the boot
>     one first.
>     > >
>     > >  I'm installing it from ubuntu live cd, and the comand:
>     > >
>     > >  efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 7 --label "Gentoo"
>     --loader
>     > >
>     > > "\boot\efi\boot\bootx64.efi"
>     > >
>     > >  seems to work. It put a entry on bios - Gentoo - but when I
>     select it,
>     > >
>     > > the windows start (second boot).
>     > >
>     > >  The handbook is not that clear, so I'm not sure if I should call
>     > >
>     > > /dev/sda7 of "--part 7". Other difference is I'm not using a
>     separate
>     > > /boot. Its everything at /, so I'm also not not sure if this
>     path is ok.
>     > >
>     > >  This seems to be the very simple, and I'd like to have it on
>     my system.
>     > >
>     > > But I've also tried grub2, and got the following error:
>     > >  "grub2-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."
>     > >
>     > >  What should I do?
>     > >
>     > >  Thank you,
>     > >
>     > >  --
>     > >  João Neto
>     > >
>     > > Linux User #461527
>     > > http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > so you don't have an efi boot partition?
>     > >
>     > > That would be your answer.
>     >
>     > Volker, the efi is already working for Windows. I just want to
>     create a new
>     > entry. Is it really necessary to create a new partition?
>
>     Can you please tell us what this shows:
>
>     gdisk -l /dev/sda
>
>     or
>
>     fdisk -l
>
>     assuming that /dev/sda is your drive.
>
>     If you are multibooting then gummiboot would be advisable, but
>     GRUB will work
>     too.
>
>     --
>     Regards,
>     Mick
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> João Neto
> Linux User #461527
> http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552

you have to put your gentoo binary into that efi boot partition. And
tell efibootmgr to look there


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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 14:30       ` João Matos
  2015-06-14 14:36         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2015-06-14 15:17         ` Mick
  2015-06-14 15:22           ` João Matos
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2015-06-14 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 15:30:18 João Matos wrote:
> / # gdisk -l /dev/sda
[snip ...]

> Number  Start (sector)    End (sector)  Size       Code  Name
>    1            2048         1026047   500.0 MiB   EF00  EFI system
> partition

OK, so this is your EFI partition, not /dev/sda7.

Mount /dev/sda1 and create your Linux-bootx64.efi in here.

Then set Gummiboot which will detect and list the different .efi boot files 
you have created.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 15:17         ` Mick
@ 2015-06-14 15:22           ` João Matos
  2015-06-14 16:35             ` Mick
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: João Matos @ 2015-06-14 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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2015-06-14 12:17 GMT-03:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:

> On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 15:30:18 João Matos wrote:
> > / # gdisk -l /dev/sda
> [snip ...]
>
> > Number  Start (sector)    End (sector)  Size       Code  Name
> >    1            2048         1026047   500.0 MiB   EF00  EFI system
> > partition
>
> OK, so this is your EFI partition, not /dev/sda7.
>
> Mount /dev/sda1 and create your Linux-bootx64.efi in here.
>
> Then set Gummiboot which will detect and list the different .efi boot files
> you have created.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>


I've Just installed grub2. It's ok for now. Gentoo is working and windows
isn't. I'll back to bootloader another time.

Thank you all for your tips :)
-- 
João Neto
Linux User #461527
http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 15:22           ` João Matos
@ 2015-06-14 16:35             ` Mick
  2015-06-14 16:51               ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2015-06-14 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sunday 14 Jun 2015 16:22:07 João Matos wrote:

> I've Just installed grub2. It's ok for now. Gentoo is working and windows
> isn't. I'll back to bootloader another time.
> 
> Thank you all for your tips :)

GRUB should scan the /boot partition for any OS bootloaders and find 
MSWindows.

Have you run update-grub?
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Regards,
Mick

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI
  2015-06-14 16:35             ` Mick
@ 2015-06-14 16:51               ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2015-06-14 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:35:48 +0100, Mick wrote:

> > I've Just installed grub2. It's ok for now. Gentoo is working and
> > windows isn't. I'll back to bootloader another time.
> > 
> > Thank you all for your tips :)  
> 
> GRUB should scan the /boot partition for any OS bootloaders and find 
> MSWindows.
> 
> Have you run update-grub?

But the ESP is not mounted at /boot.

To keep things simple with UEFI, I prefer to use the ESP as /boot - if
you use Gummibioot this is compulsory.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Ralph's Observation - It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object
to realize that you are in a hurry.

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2015-06-14 13:40 [gentoo-user] Can't boot using UEFI João Matos
2015-06-14 13:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2015-06-14 14:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2015-06-14 14:09   ` João Matos
2015-06-14 14:25     ` Mick
2015-06-14 14:30       ` João Matos
2015-06-14 14:36         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2015-06-14 15:17         ` Mick
2015-06-14 15:22           ` João Matos
2015-06-14 16:35             ` Mick
2015-06-14 16:51               ` Neil Bothwick
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