From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15608138CD3 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2015 19:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 030CEE08A8; Sat, 6 Jun 2015 19:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6DE5E0881 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2015 19:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([71.45.8.102]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LsRIM-1ZCPo12e5Y-0120Fh for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 21:45:29 +0200 Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 14:45:28 -0500 From: Bruce Hill To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe? Message-ID: <20150606194528.GD8020@workstation.happypenguincomputers.com> References: <201506042022.55571.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:otHc/pPFTWFZiGJhOaydcFs6Vh7d86M1Srwz/3xBpPfQzKOmtyN w3YmTdNpOquuvJYJxrydsVh04dSDF5wdzSkzPq+i+a7iSAv7rYN93XGMAsAC5igufY8AdRg oJUg51ZuB2RGUyuwjsYUsg/RYbDDiPX+nvndDW6KVL+EEjvai8aiA50cxaNXmsoQIZs96an 665aAXWGQ/IajanJ90hGQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Archives-Salt: bad48e16-6d89-4dc1-bd2b-e6eb9b3c1c06 X-Archives-Hash: 0fd8197bf1f1f273135681cd7dd51680 On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 05:38:57PM +0000, James wrote: > > SS7 (The north American "switching standard") where the tariffs are still > enforced is where the phone "meta-data" comes from regardless of how it is > originated. Now, All data from an ISP, Telco > web company, social media or anything else can all be moved between "ICPs" > for business (sales) purposes now via this document and many others. What's > new is the Feds will be paying gargantuan sums of money to the telcos now > to keep data they already maintain..... > > Yes this is the back door that has always existed and all advanced countries > use it. The "agencies" just buy the data from offshore sources; > thus circumventing domestic restrictions. That was/is a fundamental tenet of > "signal intercept". > > Did you notice that after the fall, of the Berlin wall (nov 1989), the good > ole USA needed a new boogey man to justify spending billions and billions to > keep us secure? The Internet security business opened in 1990 via public > access to the Internet. > > > Soon it will be those evil Chinese. Taxpayers pay; so the politicians > and can play..... There has to be a boogey man, to justify spending billions > on keeping us safe. > > The Onion with strong encryption does delay the process. But there's > too much advanced hardware available if they really want to decipher > a particular stream of data. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."