[gentoo-user] recommended applications

[gentoo-user] recommended applications

[behrouz khosravi]

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Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and fast
machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace KDE
with i3wm.

What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good choise?)

What about IRC client?

Torrent client?

I know that I can use google! but I would like to know your opinion.
Thanks for your time.

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Meino.Cramer]

behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> [15-05-24 12:39]:
> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
> mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and fast
> machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace KDE
> with i3wm.
> 
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good choise?)
> 
> What about IRC client?
> 
> Torrent client?
> 
> I know that I can use google! but I would like to know your opinion.
> Thanks for your time.

Hi behrouz,

If you want to be fast and non-gui-applications are as acceptable
for as gui-applications for you...

kmail => mutt/muttng
gui-editors => vim
xine-gui => mplayer/mpv
session-management => windowmanagement
I dont know i3wm (which simply means "I dont know" ... there 
is nothing hidden "between the lines" :) I am using openbox.

Only my two cent... ;)
Have fun!
Best regards,
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[behrouz khosravi]

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Thanks Meino. What do you mean by:

> session-management => windowmanagement
>



> I dont know i3wm

Its a tiling window manager. I have used it and I recommend it to anyone
interested in tiling window managers.


Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Andrew Savchenko]

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Hi,

On Sun, 24 May 2015 15:02:13 +0430 behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
> mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and fast
> machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace KDE
> with i3wm.
> 
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good choise?)

I depends on personal preferences. I'm not sure why, but I always
had problems with intensive mail traffic and mutt. Also many mails
are html-base and mutt is not the best way to deal with them.
(I know that html mails are disgusting, but too many people use
them these days to disregard this trend completely.)

So I use sylpheed. It is GUI-based, can read html mails (but not
write them, he-he). So it suits me well. Your mileage may vary, of
course.

> What about IRC client?

Use irssi. It is a reliable and highly configurable CLI solution.
 
> Torrent client?

Use transmission. Just compile it without qt* and gtk flags. This
is a client-server application, so transmission-daemon runs as
system service as unpriviledged user and all management is done via
nice CLI tool transmission-remote. Also transmission is
fully-fledged solution supporting all trends like dht, utp and
so on. You'll love it.

> I know that I can use google! but I would like to know your opinion.

Browser-based solution can't be lightweight, so I try to avoid them
whenever possible.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[rhannek]

On 24/05/15 15:01, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
>I depends on personal preferences. I'm not sure why, but I always
>had problems with intensive mail traffic and mutt. Also many mails
>are html-base and mutt is not the best way to deal with them.
>(I know that html mails are disgusting, but too many people use
>them these days to disregard this trend completely.)

You can display html mails in mutt via www-client/links (and other) [1].
It works very well for me. Also you might want to have net-mail/isync or
net-mail/offlineimap and mail-mta/msmtp or some other
sendmail-compatible client because mutt blocks while talking with the
remote host.

>> What about IRC client?
>
>Use irssi. It is a reliable and highly configurable CLI solution.

Just throwing net-irc/weechat in there for good measure.

[1] https://www.debian-administration.org/article/75/Reading_HTML_email_with_Mutt

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Ramdziana Feri Y]

On 05/24/2015 05:32 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Torrent client?
Hi behrouz, for simple torrent client I just use aria2. I never use the
others.

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Nuno Magalhães]

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, behrouz khosravi
<bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I dont know i3wm
>
> Its a tiling window manager. I have used it and I recommend it to anyone
> interested in tiling window managers.

What's your take on xmonad?

+1 for irssi
midnight commander anyone?

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Heiko Baums]

Am 24.05.2015 um 12:32 schrieb behrouz khosravi:
> Torrent client?

rtorrent is quite good.

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Vladimir Romanov]

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Yes, midnight commander +1 too
24.05.2015 18:35 пользователь "Nuno Magalhães" <nunomagalhaes@eu.ipp.pt>
написал:

> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, behrouz khosravi
> <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I dont know i3wm
> >
> > Its a tiling window manager. I have used it and I recommend it to anyone
> > interested in tiling window managers.
>
> What's your take on xmonad?
>
> +1 for irssi
> midnight commander anyone?
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[wabenbau]

behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
> mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and
> fast machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace
> KDE with i3wm.
> 
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good
> choise?)

Many years ago I also looked for a replacement for kmail, because kde3
was not longer supported and I disliked kde4. First I used thunderbird
but I was not very lucky with it (filters were poor and enigmail also
was not very komfortable IIRC).
I've tested all available e-mail clients and at the end I sticked with
claws mail. I'm still using this client and I'm very lucky with it. 
However, if you prefer HTML-Mail, then it is maybe not the best choice
for you.

Btw, I'm using geany as text editor, ding as dictionary, thunar as 
filemanager (sometimes also caja), qpdfview as document viewer, geeqie 
as image viewer, sonata as mpd client, audacious as music player and 
xfce as "DE".

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Heiko Baums]

Am 24.05.2015 um 16:14 schrieb wabenbau@gmail.com:
> behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace
>> KDE with i3wm.
>>
>> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good
>> choise?)
> 
> Many years ago I also looked for a replacement for kmail, because kde3
> was not longer supported and I disliked kde4. First I used thunderbird
> but I was not very lucky with it (filters were poor and enigmail also
> was not very komfortable IIRC).
> I've tested all available e-mail clients and at the end I sticked with
> claws mail. I'm still using this client and I'm very lucky with it. 
> However, if you prefer HTML-Mail, then it is maybe not the best choice
> for you.
> 
> Btw, I'm using geany as text editor, ding as dictionary, thunar as 
> filemanager (sometimes also caja), qpdfview as document viewer, geeqie 
> as image viewer, sonata as mpd client, audacious as music player and 
> xfce as "DE".

He actually asked for console tools. The tools you listed are only GUI
tools.

[gentoo-user] Re: recommended applications

[»Q«]

On Sun, 24 May 2015 15:02:13 +0430
behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:

> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good
> choise?)

If I wanted a TUI, I'd use mutt.  I use Claws Mail, mostly because it
has good filtering/processing capabilities, has a plugin
architecture, and has a good user list where devs also participate.
<http://www.claws-mail.org/>

> Torrent client?

I like net-p2p/rtorrent , which has a good TUI.
<https://github.com/rakshasa/rtorrent>

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Sebastián Pedersen]

On 24-05-2015 07:32 AM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
> mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and 
> fast
> machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace 
> KDE
> with i3wm.
> 
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good 
> choise?)
> 
> What about IRC client?

I like weechat

> 
> Torrent client?

I like aria2

> 
> I know that I can use google! but I would like to know your opinion.
> Thanks for your time.

I also use Elinks, mccaber and vim.

Cheers,
Sebas

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Lee]

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On May 24, 2015 3:33 AM, "behrouz khosravi" <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and fast
machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace KDE
with i3wm.
>
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good choise?)

Mutt is hard to beat

>
> What about IRC client?

You'll  want IRSSI

>
> Torrent client?

rtorrent

>
> I know that I can use google! but I would like to know your opinion.
> Thanks for your time.

Ymmv, but this is what I use. Also there are several good apps that run in
an x session  without KDE. Others c@n offer advice on them.

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[wabenbau]

Heiko Baums <lists@baums-on-web.de> wrote:

> Am 24.05.2015 um 16:14 schrieb wabenbau@gmail.com:
> > behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also
> >> replace KDE with i3wm.
> >>
> >> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good
> >> choise?)
> > 
> > Many years ago I also looked for a replacement for kmail, because
> > kde3 was not longer supported and I disliked kde4. First I used
> > thunderbird but I was not very lucky with it (filters were poor and
> > enigmail also was not very komfortable IIRC).
> > I've tested all available e-mail clients and at the end I sticked
> > with claws mail. I'm still using this client and I'm very lucky
> > with it. However, if you prefer HTML-Mail, then it is maybe not the
> > best choice for you.
> > 
> > Btw, I'm using geany as text editor, ding as dictionary, thunar as 
> > filemanager (sometimes also caja), qpdfview as document viewer,
> > geeqie as image viewer, sonata as mpd client, audacious as music
> > player and xfce as "DE".
> 
> He actually asked for console tools. The tools you listed are only GUI
> tools.

Sorry. I overlooked this detail.

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Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Alan Grimes]

My pattern:

1.  Use FVWM for 5 years.
2. Get sick of it.
3. Try every wm out there and find they all suck nuts.
4. Go to step 1.


-- 
IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[behrouz khosravi]

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Thanks everyone.
+1 for mc too!

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:

> My pattern:
>
> 1.  Use FVWM for 5 years.
> 2. Get sick of it.
> 3. Try every wm out there and find they all suck nuts.
> 4. Go to step 1.
>
>
> --
> IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.
>
> Powers are not rights.
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Walter Dnes]

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 03:02:13PM +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote
> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
> mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and fast
> machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace KDE
> with i3wm.
> 
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good choise?)

  Note that text-based tools split the download-from-ISP, read-the-email,
and upload-to-ISP functions.  I use getmail to download email.  I've
used mutt for years as my mail-client (reading email).  It's text-based,
but you can have it invoke W3M to read HTML email as text email.  For
the filtering function, I use procmail.  It allows me to read from
multiple ISPs and direct email into multiple mailboxes (a many-to-many
relation).  For MTA (sending email out) functionality I use ssmtp.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Alec Ten Harmsel]

On 05/24/15 06:32, behrouz khosravi wrote:
>
>
> Torrent client?
>


Another +1 for transmission - the transmission-remote CLI is good, and
the client-server model is great. rtorrent has always seemed a little
off for me, and seems to do a lot of computation in its GUI thread
because it's not really that responsive.

Also, i3 rocks.

Alec

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 24.05.2015 um 12:32 schrieb behrouz khosravi:
> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
> mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and
> fast machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace
> KDE with i3wm.
>
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good choise?)
>
> What about IRC client?
>
> Torrent client?
>
> I know that I can use google! but I would like to know your opinion.
> Thanks for your time.

(x)emacs.

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Emanuele Rusconi]

On 24 May 2015 at 23:30, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> (x)emacs.

But he said "keep the system small"! ^__^

-- Emanuele Rusconi

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 24.05.2015 um 23:53 schrieb Emanuele Rusconi:
> On 24 May 2015 at 23:30, Volker Armin Hemmann
> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> (x)emacs.
> But he said "keep the system small"! ^__^
>
> -- Emanuele Rusconi
>
>

init=/usr/bin/emacs

doesn't get smaller than that...

RE: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Franz Fellner]

I use: 

* ranger for file management (if I need a file manager); tried MC which I didn't like.
  Tried to use krusader (which also is a commander-like FM for kde), but it also never worked for me...
  I just have no need for a split view in 99% of the cases, and ranger IMHO uses the space uch better.: 
* notmuch + offlineimap (with an eye on isync) + msmtp for mail - there is also a notmuch extension for mutt: 
* feh as image viewer: 
* llpp for pdfs (occasionally qpdfview and evince, if I feel like it): 
* urxvt as terminal: 
* vim as an editor (with more than one eye on neovim ;)): 
* everything inside awesome wm: 

behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Hello everyone. After spending about a year in the world of linux (and
> mostly beloved gentoo!) I have realized that the key to a stable and fast
> machine is to keep the system as small as possible.
> So I am going to use console based tools mostly. I will also replace KDE
> with i3wm.
> 
> What do you recommend as a replacement for kmail? (is mutt a good choise?)
> 
> What about IRC client?
> 
> Torrent client?
> 
> I know that I can use google! but I would like to know your opinion.
> Thanks for your time.

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Emanuele Rusconi]

On 25 May 2015 at 10:01, Franz Fellner <alpine.art.de@gmail.com> wrote:
> * llpp for pdfs

I didn't know it. I seems great!
I use qpdfview. And zathura on mupdf as an alternative but it has some
issues.

+1 for feh.

-- Emanuele Rusconi

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Guy-Laurent Subri]

I also use zathura and feh.
For RSS and podcasts, I use newsbeuter (and podbeuter that comes with
it). Also, I'm a big fan of vim, so my browser is vimb (luakit is also a
good choice IMO).

BTW, Emanuele, what kind of issues do you have with zathura ? I don't
have any.

--
Guy-Laurent Subri
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:08:07AM +0200, Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
>On 25 May 2015 at 10:01, Franz Fellner <alpine.art.de@gmail.com> wrote:
>> * llpp for pdfs
>
>I didn't know it. I seems great!
>I use qpdfview. And zathura on mupdf as an alternative but it has some
>issues.
>
>+1 for feh.
>
>-- Emanuele Rusconi
>

Re: [gentoo-user] recommended applications

[Emanuele Rusconi]

On 25 May 2015 at 14:33, Guy-Laurent Subri <guy-laurent@subri.ch> wrote:
> BTW, Emanuele, what kind of issues do you have with zathura ? I don't
> have any.

For some PDFs it can't read the outline (bookmarks, whatever they are
called) and freezes when I try to open the outline view. llpp seems to
work fine with them.
On the other hand, qpdfview has issues sometimes too, as in crashing
when opening some PDFs. Those issues come from poppler, I think, because
the same PDFs crashed every other poppler-based viewer I tried.
That is the reason why I keep one viewer based on poppler and another
one based on mupdf handy.
By the way, I was looking for a pdf that crashed poppler, to test llpp
on it, but I can't find it anymore (though llpp is mupdf-based, so it
shouldn't have been affected, anyway).
Maybe that bug has been resolved lately.

-- Emanuele Rusconi