From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD84F138C9D for ; Sun, 26 Apr 2015 07:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57E24E08FF; Sun, 26 Apr 2015 07:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF15DE07C2 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 2015 07:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([84.133.129.146]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MdKkd-1Z4loF3c7H-00IU0z for ; Sun, 26 Apr 2015 09:32:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 09:32:35 +0200 From: Meino.Cramer@gmx.de To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: And so the emerge spake: Let there be conflicts...and see, everything was chaos and sin... Message-ID: <20150426073235.GB4390@solfire> References: <20150425160758.GA32271@solfire> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (Linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/P9h+D65RFRaUp88Plp0btBjdSWyzpLR83cMFK6NKEE8Y48JXz6 jcP2j9VFJnPFemoGGk8iDNkD2/Lr3osVBYIxOl+icXMjwNEbXXdF01P55XBYnoFAjlCInYg 6a+ipnppKByKIGzizqHepMuUjcN1MIFkEEg70y8h2ZFm+OHon6QUuf1FLQhoHZEw1vcop6X CRXYBOhm9h3km+zXx608w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Archives-Salt: 31238e03-845c-4df6-b416-876fdfaeaaa5 X-Archives-Hash: ec4de26431dc3a895f710c41686ace7e Martin Vaeth [15-04-26 08:56]: > Meino.Cramer@gmx.de wrote: > > A novice asks the master Emerge: > > "Is there Zen also in every upgrade, which will serve to Gentoo?" > > Did the novice ask the correct question about the life, the world, > and everything? Your mantra should be > emerge -NaDu @world > (--with-bdeps=y in EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS in /etc/portage/make.conf) > > I am asking, because it seems that the novice's question did > not contain the question/permission about upgrading xorg-server: > > >: required by (x11-base/xorg-server-1.12.4-r4:0/1.12.4::gentoo > > If the question was correct, the master means: > "Thou shalt not use ancient xorg-server or thou shalt be doomed." > > Have you masked newer xorg-server or are you using drivers which > require this like e.g. ancient (now masked in portage) > nvidia legacy drivers? > In the latter case you are doomed... > I also had to throw out recently an nvidia card because of this. > Of course, this is what nvidia wants you to force to. > This is why my new machine does not have an nvidia card anymore. > > :) ...and the novice, who deeply dig into the great mysterious machine before, pulls out an ancient script, which shows [I] media-video/nvidia-settings Available versions: 331.20 (~)340.58 (~)343.22 {examples} Installed versions: 343.22(15:39:16 11/16/14)(-examples) Homepage: http://www.nvidia.com/ Description: NVIDIA Linux X11 Settings Utility According to the hieroglyphs engraved on the pages of that script, the all mighty nvidia daemon is damn new (how can this stated by an ancient script?...ah! wait...great Albert once said: "Time is relative!") But the same script states: [I] x11-base/xorg-server Available versions: 1.12.4-r4(0/1.12.4) [m]1.15.2-r2(0/1.15.2) [m]1.16.4(0/1.16.1) [m]~1.16.4-r1(0/1.16.1) [m]~1.16.4-r2(0/1.16.1) [m]~1.17.1(0/1.17.1) [m]~1.17.1-r1(0/1.17.1) {dmx doc glamor ipv6 kdrive minimal nptl selinux static-libs +suid systemd tslib +udev unwind wayland xephyr xnest xorg xvfb} Installed versions: 1.12.4-r4(17:47:13 04/25/15)(ipv6 nptl udev xnest xorg xvfb -dmx -doc -kdrive -minimal -selinux -static-libs -tslib) Homepage: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org X servers It is not the newest one the novice recognized then -- but it is still offered by master Emerge to all his novices. The novice is bound to the Gates of Nvidia, since he also worship the great Blender (3D). And suddenly the novice was struck by something -- enlightenement or not -- which whispers to his soul saying "Shutdown X, remove the server, install the newer server and you will be freed!" To be a follower of this temptations or not to be a follower -- that is the question! Where will he go from here?