From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E887138C48 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AE81E092D; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACF6E0916 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (shooty.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.8]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 26338284B2 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:47:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:47:01 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Machine completely broken; Ncursed! Message-ID: <20150414084701.28ae6332@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20150413225158.48b9c0f9@sepulchrave.remarqs> References: <55292E11.9040202@verizon.net> <2227740.m4amG7ENkq@andromeda> <20150412122356.5cadb5d4@sepulchrave.remarqs> <1548532.LqqDBuMcQi@andromeda> <20150412201552.3e0aca16@sepulchrave.remarqs> <552B1AE0.5030507@alectenharmsel.com> <20150412203817.0cd1775e@sepulchrave.remarqs> <20150413085157.293dfb87@digimed.co.uk> <20150413225158.48b9c0f9@sepulchrave.remarqs> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-84-gc45ba3 (GTK+ 2.24.27; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/+mdmS6tHjqBk39askAwYTPG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 40c3548d-b02c-4081-b944-d8d115bf62b5 X-Archives-Hash: 0d620a1bdf8790851061c441389e0cb5 --Sig_/+mdmS6tHjqBk39askAwYTPG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:51:58 -0500, =C2=BBQ=C2=AB wrote: > > > How can I find out whether the profile is setting those variables? =20 > >=20 > > By removing USE=3D"-*". At the moment it doesn't matter which profile > > you use or what it sets as you are then telling portage to ignore all > > its settings, even the critical ones. =20 >=20 > I'm getting conflicting info on this. Do profiles really only set USE > flags or do they do something else as well? (Or does USE=3D"-*" affect > things *other* than USE?) Things like PYTHON_TARGETS, X86_ABI and VIDEO_CARDS are implemented as USE variables, so yes, -* clobbers them too. =20 > > As portage evolves and the devs update the profiles to keep in line, > > your system will be come gradually more broken, as happened when > > PYTHON_TARGET variables were introduced. =20 >=20 > Following this list and -dev seems to keep me up-to-date on the > changes, as happened when the PYTHON_ variables were introduced. > AFAICS, the only brokenness so far is that I'm complicating my life > more than several people here think I should be. A lot more complicated if you have to follow a mailing list just to keep your system working. You have essentially put your system into a firefighting mode where you have to deal with each change as it breaks things. The real problems occur when the cause of the issue that you are suffering is not clear, and others cannot help because they use a profile so do not experience it. If you comment out your USE line and run "emerge --changed-use -p @world" (do not use -v!) you will see what you actually need to set. Then you can ad those to make.conf or package.use. It may take you half an hour, but you'll end up with a system that maintains itself to a greater extent. --=20 Neil Bothwick I just bought a microwave fireplace... You can spend an evening in front of it in only eight minutes... --Sig_/+mdmS6tHjqBk39askAwYTPG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlUsxfkACgkQum4al0N1GQPuUQCdH9LItFbDiFbwxz0qvzQkDGv5 aa8AoMpaGajQiL4yukCKdYj9BV9peDcY =Hh64 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/+mdmS6tHjqBk39askAwYTPG--